well that was quick.....

[BentOver]

The Gulfstream guys sure appear to be NJA's weakest link.

But the rest are pretty sad too...... Nearly a 1000 extended days accepted.. Unreal... I've never been less proud to be a former NJA pilot. Always thought it was the airline guys who ate their young.. Apparently that trickles down to NJA pilots also.

If we ever return I will definitely be all for one.. The "one" being myself.

 

[OPECJet]

We're not going to get the chance. If the extenders are the guys with furlough targets on their backs, I'm cool with that. If not, you're trash.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I was shocked by those numbers too Opec. Mainly because I haven't flown or even been offered an extended day in almost THREE YEARS.

But you see, I am not an international bubba. And as someone else from the fleet tried to point out on that OTHER board, the long international itineraries actually do necessitate some extended days to make them work. A BE400 driver claimed there is no reason for the statistics to be so skewed. He couldn't be more wrong and it betrays a total lack of understanding about the GLC mission.

I'm on 7-7 and I don't extend. But have you looked at who comprises the VAST majority of 18 day line holders in the GLC? Enlightening. As long as there are people on the 18 day schedule, I'm not going to throw rocks at extenders.

 

[OPECJet]

I was shocked by those numbers too Opec. Mainly because I haven't flown or even been offered an extended day in almost THREE YEARS.

But you see, I am not an international bubba. And as someone else from the fleet tried to point out on that OTHER board, the long international itineraries actually do necessitate some extended days to make them work. A BE400 driver claimed there is no reason for the statistics to be so skewed. He couldn't be more wrong and it betrays a total lack of understanding about the GLC mission.

I'm on 7-7 and I don't extend. But have you looked at who comprises the VAST majority of 18 day line holders in the GLC? Enlightening. As long as there are people on the 18 day schedule, I'm not going to throw rocks at extenders.

Gut, I thought about that and my thinking is that the A Team is alive and well. I realize the G5 does a lot of extended international trips, but if 7 day tours don't work, the company needs to go back to the negotiating table.

 

[G4dude]

I was shocked by those numbers too Opec. Mainly because I haven't flown or even been offered an extended day in almost THREE YEARS.

But you see, I am not an international bubba. And as someone else from the fleet tried to point out on that OTHER board, the long international itineraries actually do necessitate some extended days to make them work. A BE400 driver claimed there is no reason for the statistics to be so skewed. He couldn't be more wrong and it betrays a total lack of understanding about the GLC mission.

I'm on 7-7 and I don't extend. But have you looked at who comprises the VAST majority of 18 day line holders in the GLC? Enlightening. As long as there are people on the 18 day schedule, I'm not going to throw rocks at extenders.

What is it about the 18 day pilots that would be enlightening?

 

[BentOver]

I was shocked by those numbers too Opec. Mainly because I haven't flown or even been offered an extended day in almost THREE YEARS.

But you see, I am not an international bubba. And as someone else from the fleet tried to point out on that OTHER board, the long international itineraries actually do necessitate some extended days to make them work. A BE400 driver claimed there is no reason for the statistics to be so skewed. He couldn't be more wrong and it betrays a total lack of understanding about the GLC mission.

I'm on 7-7 and I don't extend. But have you looked at who comprises the VAST majority of 18 day line holders in the GLC? Enlightening. As long as there are people on the 18 day schedule, I'm not going to throw rocks at extenders.

It's atleast a little better to know that it's being discussed on your side of NJASAP. Our side is losing many of the people who used to post. Most have probably moved on or just don't care any more. Either way, there is very little discussion going on our side.

 

[Pervis]

What is it about the 18 day pilots that would be enlightening?

Nothing earth shattering. Some would argue that it provides an extra 2.8 days/month per pilot on that schedule, and if no one bid it, company would be forced to consider recalling pilots.

The fact is the schedule can only be reduced up to 10% every bid period, so it would take years for that schedule to go away, even with 100% participation.

Before anyone gets all hell bent over the GLC folks, read section 19.9 of the CBA regarding international flying. Management refuses to use that provision, and instead elects to pay those folks extended days. And if you think airlining crews around the planet makes more economic sense, I'm just glad you're not in management, or none of us would have a job.

 

[BentOver]

Nothing earth shattering. Some would argue that it provides an extra 2.8 days/month per pilot on that schedule, and if no one bid it, company would be forced to consider recalling pilots.

The fact is the schedule can only be reduced up to 10% every bid period, so it would take years for that schedule to go away, even with 100% participation.

Before anyone gets all hell bent over the GLC folks, read section 19.9 of the CBA regarding international flying. Management refuses to use that provision, and instead elects to pay those folks extended days. And if you think airlining crews around the planet makes more economic sense, I'm just glad you're not in management, or none of us would have a job.

says the man who contributed to the 1000 extended days.... sorry Pervis, I am thoroughly disgusted with a large portion of this pilot group. Gloves are off towards anyone who voluntarily extends. Or supports the idea.

Hopefully SIC's will use peer pressure to their advantage and stop this total lack of solidarity.

Like M.L. says. NJA managment has the tools, the market share, and the money coming in. They DO NOT need pilots to extend to make the operation work. It is not the pilots job to cover their lack of management. It has already been shown that extending will not keep owners. Or else we wouldn't be seeing owners still leaving more than they are coming in. That theory went out the window a long time ago.

As far as the 18 day schedule. It would take a long time for it to be dwindled down. But that doesn't mean there needs to be 100% participation every bid period. And I'd bet there are still guys bidding it who can't hold it. Kinda like a Packers season ticket. The line is long...

 

[imacdog]

The 750 was pretty high in the ranking. Way to go team!

 

[Pervis]

says the man who contributed to the 1000 extended days.... sorry Pervis, I am thoroughly disgusted with a large portion of this pilot group. Gloves are off towards anyone who voluntarily extends. Or supports the idea.

I extended one day in the last 5 years, last December, and had the support of the Eboard. Don't even spread BS about things you know not.