Virgin Awarded Love Field Gates

[waveflyer]

Bc you still don't have an answer now do you?

 

[Flopgut]

The way this is playing out, the less I say the better Wave.

 

[waveflyer]

Why do you think any of us have any bearing on it at all?
Besides, I'm asking you about LA and SF

 

[scoreboardII]

Redflyer,

I agree. It is just business and I believe that there is enough for both companies to make a profit and keep revenues up. I believe that SWA has bigger fish to fry rather than VX. You guys have a lot of great things coming up for your company....the Itnl flying out of HOU is one I can think of right off the top of my head. You guys are always very gracious to those of us that commute and we greatly appreciate it. Of course we are always happy to return the favor.

All in all, I would like to just get it over with and continue on with business. This industry has had enough of pilots attacking pilots etc. Hope all goes well for you guys and our carrier as well.

Fly Safe!

So why not just grow at DFW?

Why get ONLY two gates at LUV? Wouldn't it make more sense to grow at the place you could get ten gates?

It's ONLY two more gates for SWA, who cannot by law grow outside the gates already at LUV. Period.

More here than we know brother

As said, the heartburn we have is, we are landlocked at LUV. If we dare move to DFW, we LOSE gates at LUV. How FAIR is that?

Interesting times.

 

[canyonblue]

What's really funny about this whole deal is that GK is on record saying that they don't NEED more than 16 gates. And now that little ole Virgin wants to come into his "Monopoly" on the down town market...he is all up in arms. Now THAT is a Joke!

I believe he KNOWS that once his frequent flyers get a taste of Virgin, there will be no going back unless they want to fly to something closer. UA learned the hard way of trying to hurt us in EWR, didn't work out so well for them. We are making money hand over fist out of there, so its all good.

Will we take all SWA passengers.....NO! Will we get some of their high mile/business travelers to those specific cities.....YES! And that ladies and gentleman is one of the very reasons GK is worried and throwing a fit about Virgin coming to LUV.

Either way, the city will do/say what they want, but in the end, if VX doesn't get the gates, the city will be sued by both the Gov and VX. Not good either way....waste of time and money and in the end, VX will STILL get the gates.

This is not about starting up business in a new city, you already fly out of Dallas. This is about getting as far away from American as you can and they don't mind driving you over to DAL in a U-Haul. Branson is counting on Southwest to be passive, he's counting wrong. I'm counting on my airline to do everything possible to remain a profitable airline by doing everything they can to beat the competition. I know you seem to think we will lose passengers to you, and good luck with that. Just don't be so shocked when we hope that you fail miserably, we are the ones who built Love to what it is today, against unbelievable odds. The fact is, Southwest getting the gates is best for the city of Dallas in the long run and there is plenty of proof to back up that claim.

 

[scoreboardII]

A better question, who should get the gates after VX fails at LUV?

 

[CX880]

I know you seem to think we will lose passengers to you, and good luck with that. Just don't be so shocked when we hope that you fail miserably, we are the ones who built Love to what it is today, against unbelievable odds. The fact is, Southwest getting the gates is best for the city of Dallas in the long run and there is plenty of proof to back up that claim.

No, competition is the best for the city of Dallas. And VA is certainly a different product than southwest which appeals to certain people, don't be so shocked when folks abandon you in favor of VA.

 

[Flopgut]

Why do you think any of us have any bearing on it at all?
Besides, I'm asking you about LA and SF

Wave: The primary offense was to not let Braniff back into Love those many years ago, not the WA. The WA restrictions that SWA had to live with were NOT the first restrictions that occurred at Love Field. See what I mean? Legacies were firstly restricted. Did anything like that ever happen In California? Or DC and NYC? Delta wants these gates so bad they'll even be happy sharing them! But they're being thrown out. That ever happen in CA?

BTW: Your boys here are really chest pounding over beat the crap out of VX. Me thinks they wouldn't be popping off like that about Delta

 

[Golden Falcon]

Southwest to be passive, he's counting wrong

The Def Leppard quote is cute...but the gates were awarded by the gubmint...this could turn interesting...

 

[humveedriver]

I hope VX gets the gates. When I eventually have to commute to Oakland they will be my bread and butter for getting to work. Do you guys put non revs in your fancy business class?

 

[Ralph Cramden]

I hope VX gets the gates. When I eventually have to commute to Oakland they will be my bread and butter for getting to work. Do you guys put non revs in your fancy business class?

No non revs in FC. It's been that way since the start. We will upgrade the top frequent flyers to FC in order to get non revs on in coach. 2 JS in front on all birds. All are welcome, just show at the gate and fill out the form. After company pilots it is first come, first served for all others. We do have a fair amount of company DFW commuters, but if DAL becomes a base that will change.

BTW, the no FC issue has never caused anyone to be left behind.

 

[madjack]

HVD, Do you know how many FAT will be above the 50% line on 1/15? From Richardson's email, DEC '14 vacancy bid ( for JAN '15) will be the first opportunity for FAT to bid LC and CP vacancy at SWA.

 

[HowardBorden]

BTW: Your boys here are really chest pounding over beat the crap out of VX. Me thinks they wouldn't be popping off like that about Delta

It was never ever going to be a situation where SWA was competing against Delta post Wright Amendment. The gates would have been way to valuable to AA to ever let Delta remain there offering competing service to AA's DFW operation. The DOJ summed this up very succinctly and I completely agree with this assessment.

"Finally, Delta's claim that it will be improperly evicted due to the divestiture is similarly unavailing. Delta currently operates one gate under a sub-lease from American that is terminable on thirty-days' notice. (Another airline, Seaport, sub-leases the otherAmerican gate.) But for the remedy, New American was likely to terminate the subleases and operate the gates itself, an outcome that Delta surely recognizes given the competitive value of the gates once the Wright Amendment restrictions expire in October of this year. Delta, therefore, never had a contractual (or other) right or expectation that it would be able to remain at the American gate. The divestiture does not change this fact."

That being said, we are at the second most favorable outcome for SWA if the gates go to Virgin. Obviously, the first most favorable option is Southwest acquiring the gates, but short of that Virgin will be a much less formidable opponent in those gates than either AA or Delta. SWA has a large bankroll at its disposal to make poaching Love traffic a very expensive proposition for Virgin. Virgin has a great product, I have flown on them many times and have always been impressed, but in the end they simply do not have the resources to engage in a lengthy fare war with Southwest out of Love. Like it or not it will all boil down to price and network size and expansiveness.

 

[Ralph Cramden]

I will still be shocked if a Dallas City Council will turn down the very business that employes more Dallas residents, and does more for the local economy than Southwest Airlines.

Well, stay away from all electrical sources for the remainder of the day!

 

[humveedriver]

DALLAS – After more than a week of formal consideration, Dallas City Manager A.C. Gonzalez said the city consented to Virgin America's sub-lease of two gates at Love Field.
Attorneys for the airline and the city worked on the fine print of the legal deal through Monday. News 8 first reported Virgin would be awarded the gates last week.
Gonzalez said the delay was not caused by competition for the gates between airlines, but rather the city working with Virgin on a compliance agreement that committed the airline to the city's noise-abatement program, clarified how any unused gate space might be made accessible to other airlines, and protects the city from possible legal expense through an indemnification clause.
"Contrary to reports, this was not a competition. While initially, The City was told to expect a collaborative process, the Justice Department eventually required American Airlines to sub-lease the Love Field gates to a chosen airline. The City was presented with the sub-lease," Gonzalez said in a statement. "Rather than simply signing the sub-lease presented to us, we took some additional time to make sure our actions would be responsible and capture the vision of the Justice Department's selected carrier."

Virgin America is sub-leasing the two gates from American Airlines through 2028. American agreed to give up its Love Field gates in a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice so it could merge with US Airways.

The Justice Department rejected offers from Southwest Airlines and Delta Airlines to take over the gates.

Dallas-based Southwest Airlines already has 16 of the 20 gates at the new Love Field terminal. United has a long-term lease for two of them, and Virgin wants the remaining two.

Still, Southwest continued to lobby the city for the gates Virgin wanted, even though it did not have a formal contract with American to present to Gonzalez.

Last month, Virgin announced it would move its operations from D/FW Airport to Dallas Love Field this fall if it won the gates.

Though it was Gonzalez's decision to make, he still had the city council briefed on the situation last week.

Virgin is already selling tickets for flights departing from Love Field. The airline would make the move in October when the Wright Amendment expires, which would allow airlines to fly from Dallas to either coast.
"We are very pleased to have the opportunity to bring new competition to Love Field, an important airport for travelers because of its proximity to the city's central business district," said Virgin America President and CEO David Cush. "We appreciate the support of Dallas travelers and all of the Virgin America flyers and look forward to bringing a new choice to the patrons of Love Field."

Virgin pledged to add flights to New York, Washington D.C., and eventually, Chicago. It already flies to Los Angeles and San Francisco from D/FW.

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