Virgin America cutting capacity during Winter, offering leaves

[Flyer1015]

You can add hiring CFO Peter Hunt as another bad move. Don't think that's going to work out too well.

Pulling out of SNA was probably questionable too. I don't see how you don't make money in SNA, it's on the trees there.

Agreed about CFO. They pulled out of SNA because the financials just weren't there. The matured routes are profitable, and the new entrant markets are projected to be profitable in another 12 months or less.

How's that drunk Randy Babbit thing coming along? I heard he's gonna be the new VP of Employee Relations? That should go well. If there are pi$$ed off Airtran pilots and SWA FOs, they can always join him for a drink! Oh and make sure there's a designated driver.

 

[climbhappy]

hey NE
the story said they have much competition of every route they fly.....so they think the leisure traveler is the way to go?

if you commit to something you have to give it time to work..

how about raising prices?

if you do and your product is better, then they will pay for it.

when i read Baldanza's of spirit airlines comment about their creed, i get the spirit manifesto now....they want to be the LOW price airline, 25% below everybody on base price..

the experts know that people respond to a number even if you whack them with add ons....car salesman made this techinque famous,

 

[redflyer65]

How's that drunk Randy Babbit thing coming along? I heard he's gonna be the new VP of Employee Relations? That should go well. If there are pi$$ed off Airtran pilots and SWA FOs, they can always join him for a drink! Oh and make sure there's a designated driver.

Babbit? Yea, it's going to be horrible here for years! I'm updating my logbook now.

PS - I'm always up for a drink.

 

[B6Busdriver]

How's that drunk Randy Babbit thing coming along? I heard he's gonna be the new VP of Employee Relations? That should go well. If there are pi$$ed off Airtran pilots and SWA FOs, they can always join him for a drink! Oh and make sure there's a designated driver.

Did you write that? That sounds like something from an elementary school playground. Next time be sure to use up your nose with a rubber hose or I'm rubber and you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

 

[n757st]

Man, Redtail guys are as cocky as Blue pilots were in 2003-2005... the difference being at least jetblue was profitable back then.

Post a profit, improve your pay, and then start throwing dirt at the SWA guys.

 

[Flyer1015]

Sarcasm clearly missed! Why so serious?

 

[NEDude]

hey NE
the story said they have much competition of every route they fly.....so they think the leisure traveler is the way to go?

if you commit to something you have to give it time to work..

how about raising prices?

if you do and your product is better, then they will pay for it.

when i read Baldanza's of spirit airlines comment about their creed, i get the spirit manifesto now....they want to be the LOW price airline, 25% below everybody on base price..

the experts know that people respond to a number even if you whack them with add ons....car salesman made this techinque famous,

I do not think competition is why the company has lost money (according to CEO third quarter was profitable), I think the problem has been poor route planning overall - limited frequencies, odd departure times, etc. Business travelers want and need options, but VX was limiting the options in many markets and had bad departure times.

SNA was not cut strictly for financial reasons, it was cut mostly to free up aircraft to launch YYZ. VX was in line to get a few birds from Air Berlin back in early 2010 when YYZ was announced, which would have supplied the aircraft for YYZ. However the Air Berlin deal fell through leaving limited AC available for YYZ, thus SNA was pulled as it was supposedly a weaker performing city and the company felt more could be made by redeploying aircraft for YYZ.

(The Jazeera aircraft deal was pursued as a result of the failed Air Berlin deal but those aircraft did not start arriving until later in 2010, a few months after YYZ launched)

 

[clickclickboom]

Ne Dude is almost as delusional as the senior check airman that was on our jumpseat a few months back from VA.. He told stories of executive meetings regarding the unlimited revenue potentials, back door revenue funneling into massive future growth even told tales of check airman meetings regarding the addition of the A330 and how it was a " Done Deal" with the manuals being rewritten.


This guy was obviously sniffing glue

 

[Tomct]

Hey Click, just remember he told you that so that when the Wide Body A/C DO show up, you can come back on here and tell us all how "YOU KNEW" way back when.

 

[Flyiguy]

Ne Dude is almost as delusional as the senior check airman that was on our jumpseat a few months back from VA.. He told stories of executive meetings regarding the unlimited revenue potentials, back door revenue funneling into massive future growth even told tales of check airman meetings regarding the addition of the A330 and how it was a " Done Deal" with the manuals being rewritten.


This guy was obviously sniffing glue

Click, I'm calling you out and saying bulls&*t on this story.

 

[n757st]

Hey Click, just remember he told you that so that when the Wide Body A/C DO show up, you can come back on here and tell us all how "YOU KNEW" way back when.

I think we found click's check airman. :laugh:

 

[Flyiguy]

I think we found click's check airman. :laugh:

Dang! You found me out:0

 

[Flyer1015]

Ne Dude is almost as delusional as the senior check airman that was on our jumpseat a few months back from VA.. He told stories of executive meetings regarding the unlimited revenue potentials, back door revenue funneling into massive future growth even told tales of check airman meetings regarding the addition of the A330 and how it was a " Done Deal" with the manuals being rewritten.


This guy was obviously sniffing glue

Yeah I'd have to raise the BS flag on this one too. Most of our checkairmen are ex-Aloha, ATA, Midwest, Champion, and [insert any other failed major airline here]. They've been around the block for 2 decades, some more. They know the reality of airlines and this industry, and are not delusional like the above posts makes it sound like.

 

[ExFokkerFlyer]

You aren't counting FORMER check airmen. I know of one in particular that was known to spout off about such things. Plausible story to me.

We have a lot of people who like to speculate, like every airline. Heard the Hawaiian merger rumor again last week... VA and Hawaiian are in talks for code share and maybe more. Add to that we had a captain get a job at Hawaiian that supposedly was talked out of going because he would be more senior here post-merger.

Code share makes sense, nothing else does to me. All I know is my logbook is up to date, have fresh resume, and applications have been filled out. And THAT is more common than some would have you believe in the land of the Koolaid.

 

[XJAVRO]

You aren't counting FORMER check airmen. I know of one in particular that was known to spout off about such things. Plausible story to me.

We have a lot of people who like to speculate, like every airline. Heard the Hawaiian merger rumor again last week... VA and Hawaiian are in talks for code share and maybe more. Add to that we had a captain get a job at Hawaiian that supposedly was talked out of going because he would be more senior here post-merger.

Code share makes sense, nothing else does to me. All I know is my logbook is up to date, have fresh resume, and applications have been filled out. And THAT is more common than some would have you believe in the land of the Koolaid.

I flew with that captain the day he was supposed to start class at Hawaiian. The real story is he sat down with the SFO chief pilot who shared some up coming info with him that is not public. He has not told anyone what that info is, and plenty of us have tried to get it out of him. The rumor that he stayed because he would be more senior post Hawaiian merge is just a bad rumor.

 

[UM#1]

Latest Rumor is something between VX and Frontier. Execs from both companies spotted at each others headquarters, including Branson.

 

[e=mc2]

VA is going to merge with a Regional. Let the cash drain begin.

 

[clickclickboom]

Yeah I'd have to raise the BS flag on this one too. Most of our checkairmen are ex-Aloha, ATA, Midwest, Champion, and [insert any other failed major airline here]. They've been around the block for 2 decades, some more. They know the reality of airlines and this industry, and are not delusional like the above posts makes it sound like.

No No not BS I dont work for VA... I was operating from jfk to FLL or MCO if i remember totally full VA CHK AMN on the seat I am assuming he was a chk airman. Older guy maybe 55 years old real character.. Told the whole story of golden greatness.

 

[Flyer1015]

I flew with that captain the day he was supposed to start class at Hawaiian. The real story is he sat down with the SFO chief pilot who shared some up coming info with him that is not public. He has not told anyone what that info is, and plenty of us have tried to get it out of him. The rumor that he stayed because he would be more senior post Hawaiian merge is just a bad rumor.

That's just dumb. I flew with a VA pilot who had been with Aloha, he mentioned how he had gotten hired at another airline and was going to leave Aloha, but the CP at his base convinced him to stay because good things were coming, and that everything was going to be fine. 6 months later Aloha went under.


Not sure it's a wise idea to make career decisions based on words coming out of some CPs mouth.

 

[NEDude]

Ne Dude is almost as delusional as the senior check airman that was on our jumpseat a few months back from VA.. He told stories of executive meetings regarding the unlimited revenue potentials, back door revenue funneling into massive future growth even told tales of check airman meetings regarding the addition of the A330 and how it was a " Done Deal" with the manuals being rewritten.


This guy was obviously sniffing glue

So tell me smart guy, what about my comments about our financial problems being due to poor route planning are delusional? Seems quite reasonable to me. Why do you think VX has had financial problems? Is it because we have a great route structure?

 

[XJAVRO]

That's just dumb. I flew with a VA pilot who had been with Aloha, he mentioned how he had gotten hired at another airline and was going to leave Aloha, but the CP at his base convinced him to stay because good things were coming, and that everything was going to be fine. 6 months later Aloha went under.


Not sure it's a wise idea to make career decisions based on words coming out of some CPs mouth.

Never said it was a wise decision. I was only passing on the real story.

 

[cameltoad]

now, if you can't make money with a 320,,,,soooo let's get an even bigger one?

 

[clickclickboom]

So tell me smart guy, what about my comments about our financial problems being due to poor route planning are delusional? Seems quite reasonable to me. Why do you think VX has had financial problems? Is it because we have a great route structure?

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

 

[n757st]

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

Man, that is one lame post. Wish your own airline out? Awesome, don't join the OC please. Why did you want a job at blue in the first place with that attitude?

 

[bri5150]

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

Wow, so dramatic. I would like to hear specifics about how VA is an industry cancer. I am not looking for citiations, but some specific information that compares us to other airlines in our situation would be great. I expect to hear low pay, but I want numbers that compare most of the airbus operators in the country. I have seen them and they are not industry leading, but I don't see VA cancer either.

 

[Flyer1015]

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

Then just quit. Or are you just the tough-talk internet guy?

 

[btrthn5n5]

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

Then grow a back bone and quit tomorrow so you can "happily start over". If you show up for your next trip, then do it knowing you're a lying idiot.

Unless you really aren't this stupid and were just trolling for some flame action, in that case... you got me.

 

[pilotpm]

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

Spoken like a person that has never had to "start over". Having had to start over seven times including after a major airline shutdown, I would NEVER wish it on anyone. You are either a troll, a tool or trully heartless. Whatever, I feel sorry for those that have to share a cockpit with you and I'm glad I don't have to.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I really cant tell you because you have always been such a VA cheerleader that I see your avatar and just skip over it. Before you get your panties in a wad let me be clear:

There is nothing i would like to see more than to see VA go under and every single one of you lose your jobs before they hit $700,000,000 in losses that way at least its not a billion.

Let me clarify more: I work for jetblue. Jetblue is a POS airline that lies to its employees is wildly profitible has some science experiment called the Direct Relationship that is a lie and has massive income potential for management but nothing for the employee. There is NOTHING I would like to see more than for my own airline to go out of business.

Jetblue had good beginnings but now is just becoming an industry cancer along with companies like va.

I will happily start over

You are very weird.

 

[clickclickboom]

Okay just got back from rehab where were we?