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Because a job at CAL is barely better than working at a regional maybe? LOL
Just a wild guess. hehe
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Because a job at CAL is barely better than working at a regional maybe? LOL
Just a wild guess. hehe
Thanks, I'll keep it in mind. Typical of you Express pukes.
No, just trying to help you with basic 5th grade spelling. How do you expect management to respect our message if we pilots come across as lacking basic skills? (and you know management types troll these boards)
BTW, if you took the time to read my signature line, you'd see I no longer work for Express, but thanks for the "mature" response
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Pocono, maybe you should follow your own advice before trying to be a smart ass.
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The XJT to CAL comparision is always good for a laugh.
Anybody who claims to have "done the math" and decided to stay at the regional is probably not telling the whole truth.
Go compare something as short as a twenty year career using the current pilot wages. Be conservative and figure on a five year upgrade and an entire career on the 737. Even then, you'll find the disparity is in the neighborhood of six figures and goes to CAL's favor in the middle of the fourth year. (This is not including the potential for widebody pay after probation, upgrade in two years, or the high liklehood that when the CPA comes up for renegotiation, an additional 25% percent of the current XJT lift is likely going away.)
Look, Express is a great airline. Good people, excellent labor relations and much better work rules than CAL's POS 02'. I enjoyed every single minute of my time there.
But if you really are using the justification that XJT is a better long-term career choice than an airline that flies to more countries on the planet than anyone, then it's time you took the rose-colored glasses off. (Unless your employee number starts with an "8", in that case, you're fine where you are.)
XJT is a really cool red wagon. It's shiny, fun to ride in, and the people inside are as good as anybody in this industry.
But at the end of the day and when the potholes start, do you want to be riding in the wagon, or the truck it's hitched to? Or some other truck for that matter?
Oh well, to each his or her own. I wish nothing but the best for my Brothers and Sisters at Express.
Anybody who claims to have "done the math" and decided to stay at the regional is probably not telling the whole truth.
Go compare something as short as a twenty year career using the current pilot wages. Be conservative and figure on a five year upgrade and an entire career on the 737. Even then, you'll find the disparity is in the neighborhood of six figures and goes to CAL's favor in the middle of the fourth year. (This is not including the potential for widebody pay after probation, upgrade in two years, or the high liklehood that when the CPA comes up for renegotiation, an additional 25% percent of the current XJT lift is likely going away.)
Look, Express is a great airline. Good people, excellent labor relations and much better work rules than CAL's POS 02'. I enjoyed every single minute of my time there.
But if you really are using the justification that XJT is a better long-term career choice than an airline that flies to more countries on the planet than anyone, then it's time you took the rose-colored glasses off. (Unless your employee number starts with an "8", in that case, you're fine where you are.)
XJT is a really cool red wagon. It's shiny, fun to ride in, and the people inside are as good as anybody in this industry.
But at the end of the day and when the potholes start, do you want to be riding in the wagon, or the truck it's hitched to? Or some other truck for that matter?
Oh well, to each his or her own. I wish nothing but the best for my Brothers and Sisters at Express.
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Am I the only that notices that Poc hijacks just about every CAL thread? Perhaps he/she whatever does it just to get people worked up.
Why does anyone care if he/she turned down CAL or got turned down? Is CAL a better airline without him/her? Obviously since one did not want the other.
Can we please move on????
Why does anyone care if he/she turned down CAL or got turned down? Is CAL a better airline without him/her? Obviously since one did not want the other.
Can we please move on????
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Look, anyone that goes for the 2 year upgrade is STUPID!! You'll upgrade on your 2nd year and die your 3rd. That's why it's SO JUNIOR!!! But whatever, go for it so I can move up.
10 years to break even? I think you just stuck one thumb up your arse and used the other thumb to test which direction the wind was going and said...."yep, sounds like 10 years". What kind of bs statement is that?
10 years to break even? I think you just stuck one thumb up your arse and used the other thumb to test which direction the wind was going and said...."yep, sounds like 10 years". What kind of bs statement is that?
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Ignore Poc Pilot.
Like a child, if you ignore her/him he/she will go away.
As far as life at CAL goes. I've been here two years and have enjoyed it. This is my third major so I can make comparisons to other airlines.
I think with our young pilot group we will make a positive change in this new contract. I find that talking to scabs, and some non scabs, about contract issues is like banging your head against the wall. I hear allot of "it's always been that way" about shi++y rules like junior manning, RX days, trainingon days off, crapy reserve rules, bad commuter policy, etc... I think that the scabs will become even less relavent in the future and the normal pilots will prevail. We do have a scab on our negotiating committee which is worry some. Hopefully the normal pilots will keep him in check.
As far as working 20 days during a training month. That shouldn't happen, that's what sick calls are for. Drop a four day during training, end of story.
All of us junior guys need to push hard to get a good contract. Our voices need to be heard. Many older guys have always lived with strange work rules and appear content to live with them in the future. We need to educate them on what a good contracts look like.
If you have the choice I would come to CAL. Don't pass up the chance to come here because of what some one who failed an interview says about CAL. I'm an October 2005 hire and am only 50 numbers from holding a ERW captain. That's unbelievable. There are negatives here, just like any other major. But the positives outwiegh the negatives.
Like a child, if you ignore her/him he/she will go away.
As far as life at CAL goes. I've been here two years and have enjoyed it. This is my third major so I can make comparisons to other airlines.
I think with our young pilot group we will make a positive change in this new contract. I find that talking to scabs, and some non scabs, about contract issues is like banging your head against the wall. I hear allot of "it's always been that way" about shi++y rules like junior manning, RX days, trainingon days off, crapy reserve rules, bad commuter policy, etc... I think that the scabs will become even less relavent in the future and the normal pilots will prevail. We do have a scab on our negotiating committee which is worry some. Hopefully the normal pilots will keep him in check.
As far as working 20 days during a training month. That shouldn't happen, that's what sick calls are for. Drop a four day during training, end of story.
All of us junior guys need to push hard to get a good contract. Our voices need to be heard. Many older guys have always lived with strange work rules and appear content to live with them in the future. We need to educate them on what a good contracts look like.
If you have the choice I would come to CAL. Don't pass up the chance to come here because of what some one who failed an interview says about CAL. I'm an October 2005 hire and am only 50 numbers from holding a ERW captain. That's unbelievable. There are negatives here, just like any other major. But the positives outwiegh the negatives.
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Let's see...12 days off at 60% 756 (until Sep) at about $74/hr (due to PBS Splat) or 12 days off at $144/hr....not as stupid as you think. FYI, some of those 2 year captains won't even be on reserve.
The main reason it is soo junior is for a 8 year f/o to switch he is only gaining $20/ an hour or so. No reason to give up quality of life for that little extra. For a "junior" f/o it is double. If it was a much bigger disparity then you would see many more senior people do it.
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Some of the 2 year guys won't be on reserve? Name one.....just one. I'll give you all the money in my wallet......$2 bucks to be exact. It's all QOL issues, that's all I'm saying. Ya, blended 737 rate of 144/hr would be really nice, but you are going to work your ass off. I have a 737 Captain in my crashpad and he is going to downbid to 777 FO. That says it all.
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I don't know what kind of math you used to figure a break even point, but I was a 9 year RJ Captain, and I will make the same amount or more this year overall with CAL as I did my last year at ASA. Granted I am Guam based, but that only speeds things up by about a year and a half, and again, that is not considering the faster upgrade.
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I remember right after I was hired at CAL some XJT pilots were contemlating, on another forum, whether to bite the bullet and come on over or to stay at XJT. One recent transfer pilot wrote a list of something like 47 reasons why he likes CAL better than XJT.
I have to say, I agreed with every single reason. But it would have only taken two to sway me. I can't remember which two they were.... one was the lav in the front of the plane, I remember that one.
Point is, there are sooooooo many compelling reasons one can make in order to justify the initial pain of coming over to CAL from XJT, but there are few if any reasons to stay at XJT. Not slight to XJT, I was there for over 9 yrs and have many friends still on property. and I repsect their decisions to stay. But the opportunity to improve your life, PBS aside, is far greater at CAL. The adage that it will take 5-8 years to make up the difference is just not true. I am in my 3rd year and make more now than I made as a line pilot at XJT. When I upgrade my pay will literally double.
I for one am glad I made the move. That first year was painful, and I am still sore from it. But it's all about the long-run in this business. Wether it's CAL, NW, DAL or UAL, if one ever leaves their beloved regional carrier to fly the bigger iron, thefinancial/ QOL pain will always be there in those initial years. I just figured it was best to get it out of the way now rather than later. I mean, 9 yrs was enough.
I have to say, I agreed with every single reason. But it would have only taken two to sway me. I can't remember which two they were.... one was the lav in the front of the plane, I remember that one.
Point is, there are sooooooo many compelling reasons one can make in order to justify the initial pain of coming over to CAL from XJT, but there are few if any reasons to stay at XJT. Not slight to XJT, I was there for over 9 yrs and have many friends still on property. and I repsect their decisions to stay. But the opportunity to improve your life, PBS aside, is far greater at CAL. The adage that it will take 5-8 years to make up the difference is just not true. I am in my 3rd year and make more now than I made as a line pilot at XJT. When I upgrade my pay will literally double.
I for one am glad I made the move. That first year was painful, and I am still sore from it. But it's all about the long-run in this business. Wether it's CAL, NW, DAL or UAL, if one ever leaves their beloved regional carrier to fly the bigger iron, thefinancial/ QOL pain will always be there in those initial years. I just figured it was best to get it out of the way now rather than later. I mean, 9 yrs was enough.
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People who claim it will take forever to recoup their lost salary either haven't done the math or are looking for a plausible sounding justification for not taking the job.
You'll have made back every penny shortly after the begining of your fourth year. right after the begining of your third year if you take the upgrade.
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I like you....
You know what, Stuart.... I like you! You're not like the other people, here-in the trailer park....
Oh no, no-don't get me wrong, Stuart....they're fine people, they're good Americans.... But they're content sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57.. Maybe kick back a cool Coors 16-ouncer.. They're good, fine people, Stuart...but they don't know what the queers are doing to the soil!
You know that Johnny Werzner kid-the kid who delivers papers in the neighborhood? He's a fine kid... Some of the neighbors say he smokes crack, but I don't believe that.... Anyway, for his 10th birthday all he wanted was a burrow owl, just like his old man..... "Dad, get me a burrow owl, and I'll never ask for anything else as long as I live!" So the guy breaks down and buys the kid a burrow owl... Anyway, 10:30 the other night I go out into my yard and there's the Werzner kid looking up into a tree..... I say "What are you looking for?" He said, "I'm looking for my burrow owl." I say "Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick!! Everybody knows that a burrow owl lives in a hole in the ground!! Why the hell do you think they call it a burrow owl, anyway!?" Now, Stuart, do you think a kid like that is going to know what the queers are doing to the soil?
I first became aware of all this about 10 years ago, the summer my oldest boy, Bill Jr. died. You know that carnival that comes to town every year? Well-this year it came with a ride they called "the Mixer." The man said "Keep your head and arms inside "the Mixer" at all times." But Bill Jr., he was a daredevil! Just like his old man!! He was leaning out and yelling "Hey everybody! Look at me, look at me!" POW! He was decapitated!!! They found his head over by the snowcone concession..... A few days after that, I open up the mail and there is this phamphlet in there from Pueblo, Colodaro-it's addressed to Bill Jr. and it's entitled "Do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?"
Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large U.S. City with a big underground homosexual population-Des Moines, Iowa-perfect example.... Just look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart.... You can't build on it, you can't grow anything in it! The government says its due to poor farming.... But I know what's really going on, Stuart..... It's the queers! They're in it with the aliens! They're building landing strips for gay Martians!! I swear to God!!!
You know what Stuart, I like you.... You're not like the other people-here... in the trailer park......
You know what, Stuart.... I like you! You're not like the other people, here-in the trailer park....
Oh no, no-don't get me wrong, Stuart....they're fine people, they're good Americans.... But they're content sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57.. Maybe kick back a cool Coors 16-ouncer.. They're good, fine people, Stuart...but they don't know what the queers are doing to the soil!
You know that Johnny Werzner kid-the kid who delivers papers in the neighborhood? He's a fine kid... Some of the neighbors say he smokes crack, but I don't believe that.... Anyway, for his 10th birthday all he wanted was a burrow owl, just like his old man..... "Dad, get me a burrow owl, and I'll never ask for anything else as long as I live!" So the guy breaks down and buys the kid a burrow owl... Anyway, 10:30 the other night I go out into my yard and there's the Werzner kid looking up into a tree..... I say "What are you looking for?" He said, "I'm looking for my burrow owl." I say "Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick!! Everybody knows that a burrow owl lives in a hole in the ground!! Why the hell do you think they call it a burrow owl, anyway!?" Now, Stuart, do you think a kid like that is going to know what the queers are doing to the soil?
I first became aware of all this about 10 years ago, the summer my oldest boy, Bill Jr. died. You know that carnival that comes to town every year? Well-this year it came with a ride they called "the Mixer." The man said "Keep your head and arms inside "the Mixer" at all times." But Bill Jr., he was a daredevil! Just like his old man!! He was leaning out and yelling "Hey everybody! Look at me, look at me!" POW! He was decapitated!!! They found his head over by the snowcone concession..... A few days after that, I open up the mail and there is this phamphlet in there from Pueblo, Colodaro-it's addressed to Bill Jr. and it's entitled "Do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?"
Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large U.S. City with a big underground homosexual population-Des Moines, Iowa-perfect example.... Just look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart.... You can't build on it, you can't grow anything in it! The government says its due to poor farming.... But I know what's really going on, Stuart..... It's the queers! They're in it with the aliens! They're building landing strips for gay Martians!! I swear to God!!!
You know what Stuart, I like you.... You're not like the other people-here... in the trailer park......
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If you look at the system bid the bottom guy is 86%. If you take out all the people on the bid who are on leaves there will be quite a few not on reserve. I'll take that $2 or a beer.
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86% will still hold a line, plus you know a few guys every month will bid reserve for certain days off.
G man will hold a line, I want my beer!!!!
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Wow!
Pocono may be a tool, but she figured out where I got "stuart" from!
-I'm impressed, you tool!
Bueller, Bueller......
Pocono may be a tool, but she figured out where I got "stuart" from!
-I'm impressed, you tool!
Bueller, Bueller......
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Great post there champ.
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I remember this from a long time ago, but forget who it is. Black Flag? Primus perhaps? God forbid I'm right and Pocono actually has kick @$$ taste in music!
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