Van ride with another crew, interesting comment...

[Fly2Scuba]

children, children! Let's control oursleves, shall we? AGAIN, I don't work for Mesa...never have, never will. To that point, I'll never work at a regional again...left that life behind several years ago to go back to a profession that I actually MAKE money (and lots of it) and am actually a "professional". Imagine that! I'm just here to expose everyone bashing others as what they are...hypocrites.

I'm off to the west coast for another round of meetings, so I wish I could partake in more festivities on the board. Fly2Scuba, I guess you just don't get it. But I have a feeling you're not that bright, so I suppose that's a given. So you work for ExpressJet, huh? Congratulations. My gawsh...I've taken a quick look at the comparisons on the site you linked, and you all are far and away the leaders in "raising the bar" in the industry (snicker!). I mean, you must just be ROLLING in the cash, huh! I really have a lot of respect for you, "bar raiser"...you're totally different from the Mesa pilots. You cool guy, you!

Be back in a few days...don't miss me!

When you get back, you're still probably going to be an unknowledgable idiot. The difference in work rules are huge. Besides that, I won't go around all happy and defensive about ExpressJet either like some Mesa tools who have far worse overall contract rules. We have issues that pop up here and there and Express isn't the perfect place to work by any means. My particular major problem with Mesa pilots is that
1) they actually pretend like everthing is honkey dorey because they get to fly around in larger jets even if at terrible work rules. You think under those contract conditions, an intelligent person would be discussing all the time how and when to change those in the future instead of defending it.

2) they have this attitude of I'm not going to worry about it because I'll get my time and move on to another airline ASAP. Even greater problem then underbidding other regionals by a wide margin, is that now you have a situation where less and less A320 and 737 major carrier jobs are available because a 190 is being flown at significantly less. Don't be a moron.

 

[chromeshawn]

Strike

You can hate Mesa but I'll tell you every time it is our Fricking CEO, not us that is the problem...

Maybe someday you'll take credit for the stupid things that happen at your company?

If I don't see a strike vote, and a contract at least as good as industry average on your upcoming contract negotiations, MESA pilots shall forever be dirt in my book.

I was talking to one of your guys in a crew van last week. He said, we can't ask for that much, they'll never give it to us. Industry average is not even close to a possibility for MESA. Johnny O, or whoever it is won't give it to us. With attitudes like that, he is right, you will continue to lower the status quo.

The company will not go out of business to save a few cruddy dollars. Stand up for at least the average. Strike if you have to! The company will come through at the last minute to prevent it, and you can have exactly what you deserve.

So stop crying "Poor little me," and do something about it next year when the contract talks come up.

Git er dun!

 

[Spinplate]

Mesa wonder boy,

Why dont you compare a 5th year CRJ 900 CA at Mesa with a 5th year CA at XJT. Pay alone should make you feel pathetic, not to mention 401k, profit sharing, work rules, quality of life, trip trading and scheduling ability. Show me "the truth". Ill tell you the truth, people like you are the reason this "career" has been swirling down the toliet bowl.

5th year Capt.??? Thats a career regional pilot who is old and on the verge of retiring. If you dont move on by then.......well you know what Im getting at. I heard the upgrade time is getting a little better at XJET, but it would take like 10 years to become a 5th year Capt. there. We all want to move on to bigger and better things, that we can all agree on. Its miserable for most of us so why cant we just get past ourselves and just do the damm job we get paid so little to do!! We all seem to be cool and likeable when your trying to get a FREE ride home on the competitions flights,......and then go home and talk $hit about it. F%*K that you pansies!! Most of the people Ive met out there have been cool as hell....prob the same people that come on here and bash everyone behind the screen. Well F**K YOU! Little whiny F*gs. JUST STFU already. Thats it!

 

[PCL_128]

5th year Capt.??? Thats a career regional pilot who is old and on the verge of retiring. If you dont move on by then.......well you know what Im getting at. I heard the upgrade time is getting a little better at XJET, but it would take like 10 years to become a 5th year Capt.

Fifth year Capt means you've been at the company for 5 years, not as a Capt for 5 years. The only airline I know that bases pay off of years in seat is Commutair. Everyone else bases payrates on YOS with the company.

 

[NEDude]

The only airline I know that bases pay off of years in seat is Commutair.

Oh sure, drag us into this.

 

[Beantown]

1) they actually pretend like everthing is honkey dorey because they get to fly around in larger jets even if at terrible work rules. You think under those contract conditions, an intelligent person would be discussing all the time how and when to change those in the future instead of defending it..

Mesa pilots wouldn't have to defend there contract if idiots like you would stop attacking them. At some point, if attacked enough, any human with a little pride is going to defend themselfs, even if they don't believe what they are saying. This is what happens at Mesa. The first few times a pilot is asked about or attacked because of the contract they agree. It sucks. After awhile, this gets old and they defend it knowing what they are saying is B.S.

The thing is, if others in this industry really want Mesa to imporve there contract in the next round, they should be standing next to them not attacking and isolating them. Your only making it harder on the Mesa pilots and in the long run worse on yourselfs. -Bean

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Mesa pilots wouldn't have to defend there contract if idiots like you would stop attacking them. At some point, if attacked enough, any human with a little pride is going to defend themselfs, even if they don't believe what they are saying. This is what happens at Mesa. The first few times a pilot is asked about or attacked because of the contract they agree. It sucks. After awhile, this gets old and they defend it knowing what they are saying is B.S.

The thing is, if others in this industry really want Mesa to imporve there contract in the next round, they should be standing next to them not attacking and isolating them. Your only making it harder on the Mesa pilots and in the long run worse on yourselfs. -Bean

Should the same logic be applied to G O J E T pilots? I don't like the reverse psychology (weak minded) BS and prefer straight to the point. That's a terrible argument to make on an internet board. I can see getting defensive in a face to face situation if the same person keeps bringing it up, but not here where you can choose to not read. Part of the repetitive nature of this is to warn potential job candidates about the situation at Mesa. If the airline has problems finding respectable candidates, maybe it will think twice about offering crappy work rules, just like G O J E T S. Just wonder sometimes how Mesa pilots really feel because not one has come forward on this post and said "what Ornstein has gotten away with is absolute BS". As for my other point, I jumpseated on Mesa during the contract vote a few years and the Captain of that flight said he was a yes voter so he could build his time and go to Southwest. Just seems like a large percentage have accepted this mentality. Just like musical chairs, gotta wonder when will it end.

 

[FN FAL]

The way this conversation is going, we don't need the hotel van.

 

[blueridge71]

So I'm riding with my crew to the hotel, along with a crew from another airline. It started with the "who do you fly for?" We told them, and I asked how about yourself, "MESA". It kinda got silent, then one of them talks about the CRJ-900. Someone asks, "what are the rates like for the 900?" One replies with, get this... "who cares man it's a 900, that thing is huge!":angryfire

Just say, "I thought it was a 50 seater. Oh, my mistake. I was thinking of your paycheck."

 

[relief tube]

You can hate Mesa but I'll tell you every time it is our Fricking CEO, not us that is the problem...

get a frickin' clue. I hate people always using that excuse. What a pansy. Grow a pair and fight for better wages and work rules. Join the union, thats what I did. 8 days off, bad pay, no block or better. Come on man. You raise your bar and it gets better for the rest of us.

 

[pookie]

On a seperate issue, why are the QX pilots never happy. I see them in the mornings on the same trip and they never smile.

 

[Spinplate]

get a frickin' clue. I hate people always using that excuse. What a pansy. Grow a pair and fight for better wages and work rules. Join the union, thats what I did. 8 days off, bad pay, no block or better. Come on man. You raise your bar and it gets better for the rest of us.

Join the union!!!!? Who the hell do you think negotiated the contract that Mesa currently has?? If you want it better at your company, you go fight for it....dont pawn it off on another airline....especially one who is actually making money and not in Ch. 11! All other pilots whine about Mesa more than Mesa pilots bitch about it. Granted! it does suck....some things about it, but its not that bad compared to going to work for someone who might be furloughing soon. Ill take the security for now. In 2007 if it comes to it, I WILL be out there with all my fellow pilots holding a sign.

 

[RP170]

get a frickin' clue. I hate people always using that excuse. What a pansy. Grow a pair and fight for better wages and work rules. Join the union, thats what I did. 8 days off, bad pay, no block or better. Come on man. You raise your bar and it gets better for the rest of us.

Couldn't agree more. It's always the CEO's fault according to the Mesa guys yet they are willing to go work there. What a bunch of tools.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Boo hoo....I'm NOT worthy!

Couldn't agree more. It's always the CEO's fault according to the Mesa guys yet they are willing to go work there. What a bunch of tools.

Boo hoo....everyone hates me and thinks I'm a tool...I should probably just shoot myself and put myself out of my (and the rest of the airline industry's) misery. Boo Hoo...

If only my fellow Mesa comrades and I had balls of steel, like all the other RJ superheros, the airline industry wouldn't be in the shape it is in. I'M SO SORRY FOR ALL THE MISERY and FURLOUGHS WE HAVE CAUSED! BOO HOO...IT's ALL OUR FAULT!!! AAAHHHH BOO HOO...

hehe

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Couldn't agree more. It's always the CEO's fault according to the Mesa guys yet they are willing to go work there. What a bunch of tools.

F OFF man you are a D!ck
did it ever occur to you that maybe its hard to picky when no one is hiring? 1/3 of the pilots at mesa came on after the shittie union got the contract. How is that their fault? You are flying a mainline jet for regional rates you bastard so shut the F up!
In 07 when the contract is up show some support and help your fellow pilot out. Until then shut up and back off, or don't ever dare try to J/S on mesa you D!ck Wrangler!