USAPA wins...Pilots lose

[Rez O. Lewshun]

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IMO, the European airline system is better....They also pay the same across all aircraft.....It is actually a much better system...the young folks get to do the international stuff and the older people get to stay in the same time zone.....Win-win.....

Careful... what I have posted is a slippery slope into socialism. RALPs or Republican Air Line Pilots might not stand for it.... What I posted counters the American motto of "Up yours, I got mine"

Now as to the "how"...The only way to convince the top is if they feel their "boat" will be threatened if we don't change.....I don't think anything else will work.....

Well... the junior guys could start a grass roots political movement. If 2/3 of the seniorty list went after the top 1/3 then there might be some action...

If it is ok to for the senior guys to go get 65 then can't the junior guys get some back?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Careful... what I have posted is a slippery slope into socialism. RALPs or Republican Air Line Pilots might not stand for it.... What I posted counters the American motto of "Up yours, I got mine"

"Up yours, I got mine" is an ALPA motto.....I prefer "a rising tide lifts all boats".....that is a better motto...

 

[Caspian27]

Easy, you the junior guy must live within your means until you become that Senior guy.

Then you can be on top and telling the guy your flying with all about your Boat.

Okay. However, by the time many of us become the senior guy, being the senior guy won't pay nearly as well as it did. Which brings us right back into "living within our means."

And I Agree with both Rez and Joe on this. Maybe I should go buy a lottery ticket...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Okay. However, by the time many of us become the senior guy, being the senior guy won't pay nearly as well as it did. Which brings us right back into "living within our means."

Your right...The whole mainline job thing is like Amway and other pyramid schemes....The top need to get you in the fold....but the odds are you won't ever make it to the top....

And I Agree with both Rez and Joe on this. Maybe I should go buy a lottery ticket...

The world may stop rotating.......

Actually the main thing Rez and I have in common is we are trying to get people to think....sometimes that means making posts that absolutely p!$$ people off...if that's what it takes to get people motivated....then so be it....

The main difference is I can't cheerlead for ALPA....they have done their fair share to screw this up for all of us......

 

[Caspian27]

The US Airways pilots are one of the most senior and experienced pilot groups in the United States.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5UVb_Tieo

 

[WickedPissa]

It isn't a "brotherhood." It's a bunch of people looking out for themselves; which is all too common these days it seems.

The union problem philosophically is that to be truly unified, every single person of a group needs to want the exact same things, or be willing to make compromises for the greater good. But no union is completely unified...there are always divisions between senior/junior, bases, equipment, etc. Also because what you want changes over time as you gain more longevity and pay. In the end, it all comes back to self. Are you going to look out just for yourself now? Or do you realize that by giving a little and making other parts of your group happy, it's going to come back to you and help you out later.

Settle down Dr. Phil. USAPA guys are looking out for #1. You are right about that. Get f'd with enough, give something else a shot (USAPA). Why wouldn't they (except for the senior sell-outs)?

 

[Caspian27]

Settle down Dr. Phil. USAPA guys are looking out for #1. You are right about that. Get f'd with enough, give something else a shot (USAPA). Why wouldn't they (except for the senior sell-outs)?

That's true they are looking out for #1. Why wouldn't they? Well, the words "binding arbitration" come to mind...

 

[WSurf]

Okay. However, by the time many of us become the senior guy, being the senior guy won't pay nearly as well as it did. Which brings us right back into "living within our means."

And I Agree with both Rez and Joe on this. Maybe I should go buy a lottery ticket...

Lottery is the way to go! If anyone got into this business to get rich.... Oh well!

It is what it is now.

Marry someone Rich!!!! Then flying can just be a hobby that your spouse supports!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Marry someone Rich!!!! Then flying can just be a hobby that your spouse supports!

If being a professional pilot was just a hobby, then the compensation would plument.

Would you like your doctor to be putting on the rubber glove for your exam......as his hobby?



Now... if it was a female doctor!!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Easy, you the junior guy must live within your means until you become that Senior guy.

Then you can be on top and telling the guy your flying with all about your Boat.

Ive been junior.Ive been senior.Never owned a boat.
(....sigh! )


PHXFLYR