USAPA wins appeal!!!!!!

[Metro752]

Still awaiting that answer to be fenced off any wide body flying for the length of your career?!?!?!?!

Half of the entire US Airways (East & West ) your pilot group is over 55? Why would it be fenced off for 30 years?

 

[Crzipilot]

Half of the entire US Airways (East & West ) your pilot group is over 55? Why would it be fenced off for 30 years?

Why??? 'cause some of us are MUCH younger than 55.....

 

[Guppiedriver]

What did you win?[/QUOTE]


Another way to look at it;

Well, again from an outsider, reading the press release and the info presented; I guess it can be debated what (or how much) USAPA won???

BUT, what is very VERY obvious is that the West pilots (those who sued, et. al.) clearly, undoubtedly LOST!!!!!

So, if you are a former Am. West pilot, I would not be talking about whether the union or the former east pilots 'won' (or what did they win), rather the FACT that you (the former Am. West) LOST, BAD!!!!

for what its worth, PD

Ok, now I am just back to reading and entertaining myself.

We lost bad? Clearly you haven't read the ruling.

As previous poster said, WE WON TIME. Time can give us very substantial pay raises in a few months. Time can give us, super suction seniority with retirements in about 2 yrs....etc etc etc......

Yeah, but "time" is only working for the bottom half of your seniority list. What about the other half, what do they get?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Still awaiting that answer to be fenced off any wide body flying for the length of your career?!?!?!?!

Are you saying that USAPA would agree to use the Nicolau list if the west agreed to a permanent fence around your widebodies? If so, where do we sign?

 

[JetMonkey]

Still awaiting that answer to be fenced off any wide body flying for the length of your career?!?!?!?!

I'm willing to be fenced off from your 10 767's and 9 330's, cause that's ALL the east brought to the dance. But every wide body since then plus plus the 3 75's and all 190's should be equally shared. Comprende?

 

[BeCareful!]

The East extorted the West to give concessions by threatening to dump ALPA in the hopes of getting around the arbitration. The West didn't give in and the DFR suit was the result. The best defense is a good offense. Sounds good. But I'm sure you're aware that reordering the seniority list isn't good for the West.

That's a funny spin "threatening to dump ALPA." Really, really funny. I believe we did more than threaten. ALPA is gone. But it wasn't any sort of extortion to get West concessions; it was pure, utter hatred for ALPA and all it had become. NIC was only the final, miserable failure of ALPA on this property. We are MUCH better off without them, and as soon as the west stops WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME with this legal battle to cash in and rule the seniority list of an airline system they never could have dreamed of working for.....well, then we'll all be on our way to better conditions.

Either that, or like Crzy says, see you in court in another five years. When we win the LOA93 pay grievance we won't care one way or the other. It's not like we are just dying to access your super awesome, super lucrative PHX domestic flying.

Really TWA......slam dunk?.....9th to blow our heads off when we negotiate DOH?? Up to now you guys, at least in your Internet incarnations, were more than just a bit rude and arrogant; now, y'all just seem pathetic.

 

[WSurf]

And why didn't I go to Law School??? I coulda' banked!!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

That's a funny spin "threatening to dump ALPA." Really, really funny. I believe we did more than threaten. ALPA is gone. But it wasn't any sort of extortion to get West concessions; it was pure, utter hatred for ALPA and all it had become. NIC was only the final, miserable failure of ALPA on this property. We are MUCH better off without them, and as soon as the west stops WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME with this legal battle to cash in and rule the seniority list of an airline system they never could have dreamed of working for

Priceless!:laugh::laugh: Thanks for the laugh.
2 Bankruptcies, a loss of pension, and working for the lowest paid legacy airline.......Really, what's with these AWA pilots? I mean your 30 year 737 captains are just above the pay grade of a 5th year southwest f/o.:laugh::laugh:

 

[BeCareful!]

Typical short sighted response scope out rj's.

Of course your don't address the bulk of what i said....most importantly, that the west might just consider an end to WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME. Let's move on for the betterment of everyone, for the industry, for the profession.

 

[BeCareful!]

By the way, I have a serious question for West historians: What was AWA ALPA's stance on seniority integration when the ATA merger was being discussed?

 

[ableone]

By the way, I have a serious question for West historians: What was AWA ALPA's stance on seniority integration when the ATA merger was being discussed?

Those two lists could have been merged by a ratio or DOH and there would not have been a great deal of difference between the two lists.

 

[BeCareful!]

OK, thank you for that. The question remains: what was AWA ALPA's stance on the issue?

 

[igneousy2]

Any speculation of an En Banc hearing getting heard? It doesn't seem that this case would rise to that level of interest to warrant one but my guess is that it will be asked for.

 

[igneousy2]

Here is a link to the full text of the decision

http://bit.ly/USAPAAppeal

After reading the decision and the dissent I gotta say that it might very well have been that USAPA got the lucky draw of judges. 2-1 with a very compelling dissent doesn't seem like a slam dunk.

I gotta agree though, unless an En Banc is granted...which is fairly rare...or the supreme court approves a cert petition...even more rare and more unlikely, it seems this case is dead.

 

[LearLove]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o&feature=related