USAPA wins appeal!!!!!!

[becket]

No. The court said once a contract is ratified THEN a claim of DFR could unquestionably be allowed into court for a trial. Not before. .

I disagree. The "under paid" part doesn't describe what you're suggesting.

 

[MCDU]

In knots? Hardly. I think the most likely scenario is that you'll never get a new contract with a new proposed SLI, because Parker is going to sell Airways off in pieces to the highest bidders. It's just a shame that the West will suffer along with you.

West suffering? They are working at the highest pay scale and contract they ever had and are flying over 20% of former East routes. (CLT -SFO, PHL- SEA just to name few). They are lucky they merged. Trying to portray Westies as the victim is a joke just like you PFT_128. Trying to justify how a 17 year never furloughed pilot should bid behind a 3 week probation pilot shows how non union you and your ALPA cheerleaders are. There is a reason you did the PFT deal. Greed, just like your fellow ALPA cheerleaders who lost touch with true union principles. Thank god USAPA is founded on true union principles, where DOH matters and your vote counts.

I am happy that idiots like PFT_128 and Dope in an RJ are pulling for the West. Because you are molded out of the same greed as the Mesa Grande crowd that are trying to gain at the expense of more senior East pilot group.

M
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[charlie2]

This outcome buys us, the east, time which is good for a bunch of reasons. One is if the MDA pilots win their DFR suit against ALPA (I think they will) then an obvious conclusion would be that those pilots were active, not furloughed, US Airways pilots. The list given to Nicolau showed those MDA pilots as furloughed and he stapled them below the most junior west pilot which would make the Nicolau Award flawed wouldn't it? I think the next jury at the next Addington suit would agree and would see USAPA as not failing in DFR but simply correcting a mistake made by ALPA resulting in the Nic award.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

West suffering? They are working at the highest pay scale and contract they ever had and are flying over 20% of former East routes. (CLT -SFO, PHL- SEA just to name few). They are lucky they merged. Trying to portray Westies as the victim is a joke just like you PFT_128. Trying to justify how a 17 year never furloughed pilot should bid behind a 3 week probation pilot shows how non union you and your ALPA cheerleaders are. There is a reason you did the PFT deal. Greed, just like your fellow ALPA cheerleaders who lost touch with true union principles. Thank god USAPA is founded on true union principles, where DOH matters and your vote counts.

I am happy that idiots like PFT_128 and Dope in an RJ are pulling for the West. Because you are molded out of the same greed as the Mesa Grande crowd that are trying to gain at the expense of more senior East pilot group.

M
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This statement is hysterical....:laugh:
Doosh....The only thing usapa stands for is a re definition of the word "scab."
Let's recap. Both sides agree to binding arbitration. The EAST picks the arbitrator, then, when you don't agree to the arbitration results, circumvent them through throwing out the union. Great tactics.
Good thing for your man love there are still a few 190's hanging around, for now.
Doosh, when is the Gulfstream reunion? I'm sure your man love will be proud to call you a pilot when you get your wings! You go girl!

 

[Crzipilot]

So the TA and the company accepting the NIC. just goes right out the window because USAPA has not DFR'd the West yet? USAPA is free to breech their contractual obligation like a home owner walking away from their mortgage, but you will have legal litigation to respond to. The company is like the bank and does not want to be part of this mess, but will eventually have to act if the 9th sends the mandate to Wake to dismiss and USAPA goes DOH per their CBL's.

P.S.- any updates on the A330 damage from yesterday's hit and run in CLT?

Have you read the T/A??? Does it specify what is involved in the SLI or just that they will accept whatever list the Current Union comes up with, as long as it doesn't increase costs and displacements and such????

The arbitration, AS THE COURT HAS STATED, was an internal Union process, and not abiding by it DOES NOT in itself, Constitute a DFR.

Thank you...

Oh and your idea of fast track, and work already done for a new trial. Dream again.

See this case is dismissed, so everything is thrown out. BOTH sides would have to agree to stipulations allowing information, (depos, statements etc) from the original case to be brought into the new one. So you would have to start from step one, and get all the footwork done over again.

Got a spare 1.8 million around???

Oh yeah... Were did the Army of Leonadis Website disappear to? That was a kinda quick retreat....

 

[Crzipilot]

The only thing is certain, is moving forward the west pilots can agree to be involved or not. Their choice. Get into good standing and work to you have your concerns addressed.....

 

[Crzipilot]

Oh, and all the alpa cheerleaders.....might as well butt out. As obviously you were wrong........

 

[eaglesview]

In knots? Hardly. I think the most likely scenario is that you'll never get a new contract with a new proposed SLI, because Parker is going to sell Airways off in pieces to the highest bidders. It's just a shame that the West will suffer along with you.

If this scenario is true the west will be hurt the most. Popular or not the money is in the East. Europe, The Carribean, PHL NYC DCA vs PHX. A potential buyer will look East.

 

[Noserider76]

Their choice. Get into good standing and work to you have your concerns addressed.....

Or instead of working with a group, formed specifically to F them after an agreed upon arbitration didn't go the way the majority hoped, they could just wait until the pieces of the mess you created get picked up by someone else. Of course, then you'll all be at the mercy of the ones picking up the pieces.

 

[Turtle21]

In knots? Hardly.

When did you become in favor of voting? Thou dost protest allegiance to voting too much.

 

[weasel_lips]

Congrats to USAPA for a job well done!

 

[Sandhawk]

"He who laughs last, laughs best"....and it ain't over B!tches (that's you, Eastwipes).

:laugh:

 

[abefly]

Have you read the T/A??? Does it specify what is involved in the SLI or just that they will accept whatever list the Current Union comes up with, as long as it doesn't increase costs and displacements and such????

The arbitration, AS THE COURT HAS STATED, was an internal Union process, and not abiding by it DOES NOT in itself, Constitute a DFR.

Thank you...

Oh and your idea of fast track, and work already done for a new trial. Dream again.

See this case is dismissed, so everything is thrown out. BOTH sides would have to agree to stipulations allowing information, (depos, statements etc) from the original case to be brought into the new one. So you would have to start from step one, and get all the footwork done over again.

Got a spare 1.8 million around???

Oh yeah... Were did the Army of Leonadis Website disappear to? That was a kinda quick retreat....

The second trial will be much faster. It took the jury 5 minutes to decide in this trial. They only waited until the next day to get another day off work.

All this did was buy time. You and everyone knows it. If anything this will bring the Nic upon you even sooner. The second trial will be cheaper, all the discovery is complete. All we need is the one final piece of the puzzle. Your DOH list to get voted in.

I predict a TA withinin 6 months voted in by the "Majority." Immediately followed by a temporary injunction to prevent the list from being implemented. But the rest of the contract will continue. Then after we win the case the Nic will be the list and the east will have gotten what they wanted. All the upgrades. I have a fridge full of beer and nothing but time. So enjoy the "victory" of this battle CRZ. But the war is far from over!

 

[charlie2]

I bet we don't have a TA until June of 2011. Parker is living the dream.

 

[Jim]

"While Friday's decision said the America West pilot claim wasn't yet "ripe" to be decided, it also said their claim would be "unquestionably ripe ... once a contract is ratified." The threat of that should force the union "to bargain in good faith pursuant to its (duty for fair representation), with the interest of all members" in mind, the judges wrote."

If the USAPA scum continue on their present course, they will fail miserably. The appeal Judges have warned them and pissed off Judges make bad enemies. It's only a matter of time, the AWA guys just need to be patient a little while longer.

 

[Turtle21]

... All we need is the one final piece of the puzzle. Your DOH list to get voted in.
...

Call your union and make your wishes known. They will do their best to accommodate you.

 

[St. Nic]

"While Friday's decision said the America West pilot claim wasn't yet "ripe" to be decided, it also said their claim would be "unquestionably ripe ... once a contract is ratified." The threat of that should force the union "to bargain in good faith pursuant to its (duty for fair representation), with the interest of all members" in mind, the judges wrote."

If the USAPA scum continue on their present course, they will fail miserably. The appeal Judges have warned them and pissed off Judges make bad enemies. It's only a matter of time, the AWA guys just need to be patient a little while longer.

Why is an NonFlyingOfficer even posting on here? Go push your buttons on the E2 buddy!

 

[Jim]

Why is an NonFlyingOfficer even posting on here? Go push your buttons on the E2 buddy!

That would be a P-3 and it was 12 years ago. I've been at a major airline since 2001 and I'm currently flying as a 767 FO.

My time in the Navy as a NFO taught me the value of integrity, something that USAPA is obviously lacking.

 

[Metrojet]

Wow, the junior E-190 F/O's must all be home the last two days with all these pro-USAPA posting. Enjoy the victory you believe you have won. Just like a death row inmate enjoying his stay of execution on a technical matter. The Attington Case was never about the Nic. and the company has never moved off accepting the Nic. as the joint list to be used once a CBA is approved.
The ball is back in USAPA's court once the mandate hits Wake's court room barring an En Blanc request. USAPA will no doubt go forward with a request for DOH, but does the company dare to test the legal waters of a DFR so soon? AOL had to test the waters for a DFR or risk a statue of limitations. A few said wait till more damages before going for the DFR but the statue of limitations spooked AOL to move so fast. I think we all know how well the next case will go if USAPA goes with DOH and as a bonus we get little Stevie B. to show up.

P.S.- nice East A330 hit on a West A321 today in CLT taking the runway intersection, don't you senior international block holding wide body transatlantic veterans go over wing spans in ground school?

gotta be real honest here Carl -

i was going to comment on your post - but your last p.s. comments show your true level of intelligence.

Metrojet

 

[Turtle21]

That would be a P-3 and it was 12 years ago. I've been at a major airline since 2001 and I'm currently flying as a 767 FO.

My time in the Navy as a NFO taught me the value of integrity, something that USAPA is obviously lacking.

Nicely put. One doesn't learn integrity. Sure, you can learn about the consequences for having no integrity.

Of course the judges on the 9th probably had that in mind.

 

[Jim]

Nicely put. One doesn't learn integrity. Sure, you can learn about the consequences for having no integrity.

Of course the judges on the 9th probably had that in mind.

Yes the Judges did, which is why they warned USAPA:

......said their claim would be "unquestionably ripe ... once a contract is ratified." The threat of that should force the union "to bargain in good faith pursuant to its (duty for fair representation), with the interest of all members" in mind, the judges wrote."

So it remains to be seen if USAPA understands the consequences if they continue having no integrity.

 

[Carl S.]

Any update on the CLT hit and run? Heard the A330 felt and heard nothing till the A321 rookies said they had been hit and then the A330 got off the runway. Just keeping it real as you work on your DOH list!!!

P.S.- St. Nic. nice rip at a non-aviator, what's you beef, no combat/deployment time? Everyone who served is cool, did you or did you just work the glory hole in school?

 

[surfnfly]

I hope that the west guys realize that the nic is dead and it is time to move forward. Frame the list if you wish. I am so tierd of hearing that you saved us and you had 5yr upgrades etc. Guess what at one time Jetblue had 6mo upgrades. What are they now 10yr from what some js have said recently. Nothing is guaranteed except taxes and death so everything else is subject to change. I don't support screwing the west although the majority of west posters on here are determined to screw us. The NIC gave you guys some sense of entitlement over us. What I want to see in a contract. What we brought to the dance alot of attrition. Industry standard pay(DAL,JB,CAL/UA,AA) Protections for west guys out west and protections for east guys east any new stuff shared. Flow-up for are wholly owned guys/gals.

 

[abefly]

I hope that the west guys realize that the nic is dead and it is time to move forward. Frame the list if you wish. I am so tierd of hearing that you saved us and you had 5yr upgrades etc. Guess what at one time Jetblue had 6mo upgrades. What are they now 10yr from what some js have said recently. Nothing is guaranteed except taxes and death so everything else is subject to change. I don't support screwing the west although the majority of west posters on here are determined to screw us. The NIC gave you guys some sense of entitlement over us. What I want to see in a contract. What we brought to the dance alot of attrition. Industry standard pay(DAL,JB,CAL/UA,AA) Protections for west guys out west and protections for east guys east any new stuff shared. Flow-up for are wholly owned guys/gals.

Too bad only you and your fellow Eastholes think that. We have nothing but time. So continue your celebration. It will be short lived.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

got no dog in this hunt, friends on both sides, totally amazed at the immaturity and lack of integrity of the east. amazed.

 

[sleeves]

got no dog in this hunt, friends on both sides, totally amazed at the immaturity and lack of integrity of the east. amazed.

I am in the same boat. I do not work at either joint but the East guys are something else. Where can I send money to help with the west legal fees?

 

[sleeves]

I hope that the west guys realize that the nic is dead and it is time to move forward. Frame the list if you wish. I am so tierd of hearing that you saved us and you had 5yr upgrades etc. Guess what at one time Jetblue had 6mo upgrades. What are they now 10yr from what some js have said recently. Nothing is guaranteed except taxes and death so everything else is subject to change. I don't support screwing the west although the majority of west posters on here are determined to screw us. The NIC gave you guys some sense of entitlement over us. What I want to see in a contract. What we brought to the dance alot of attrition. Industry standard pay(DAL,JB,CAL/UA,AA) Protections for west guys out west and protections for east guys east any new stuff shared. Flow-up for are wholly owned guys/gals.

Tell it an arbitrator! Oh wait you already did!!

 

[Ocity]

I am in the same boat. I do not work at either joint but the East guys are something else. Where can I send money to help with the west legal fees?

100% agreed. The USAPA chearleading East pilots are bigger scum bags than picket line crossers. Unbelievable.

 

[Crzipilot]

wow, Alpa schrillers were up late last night...

 

[Flopgut]

I'll send the West some money for legal fees.... This is total BS.