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Are the East pilots not happy? They only have to hold out a couple more years and then US Air will either fold or all the senior guys will retire.
 
Obviously he's one that has followed all the events very very closely....NOT. Anyways, what about 2 weeks, and there should be more insight as to what's gonna happen to this train wreck...
 
BeCareful! said:
What arbitration are you referring to?
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I believe he is referring to the legally binding arbitration that you guys agreed you would abide by (because you didn't like the initial agreement with the west and, stupidly didn't realize that the arbitrator would conclude something worse for you).

But, if you like, feel free to act like you don't know what he is referring to...
 
d.fitz said:
I believe he is referring to the legally binding arbitration that you guys agreed you would abide by (because you didn't like the initial agreement with the west and, stupidly didn't realize that the arbitrator would conclude something worse for you).

But, if you like, feel free to act like you don't know what he is referring to...
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Gosh, there was a strongly worded remark. So, I guess I'll ask you: were USAPA attorneys involved in that arbitration?
 
outside of this trial stuff:

for east and west guys please member that there is only 2 days left to (re)vote for USAPA pres - more importantly and the topic of this post is that the same vote includes a vote to extend furlough health coverage to the west guys. Regardless of where you stand please help your fellow pilot by voting yes on this issue.
 
BeCareful! said:
So, I guess I'll ask you: were USAPA attorneys involved in that arbitration?
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That's a strange question given the obvious incompetence of USAPA's current legal counsel. Do you think Mr. Seham would've gotten you a better decision from Mr. Nicolau?
 
LearLove said:
outside of this trial stuff:

for east and west guys please member that there is only 2 days left to (re)vote for USAPA pres - more importantly and the topic of this post is that the same vote includes a vote to extend furlough health coverage to the west guys. Regardless of where you stand please help your fellow pilot by voting yes on this issue.
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I thought polls were open until May 12th. That's what it says on the website.
 
So a friend attended the trial today (jury selection and pre-trial motions). The Judge told USAPA's attorneys that Bradford will not be compelled to testify but if he (and USAPA) chose not to have him testify the Jury will be instructed that they can infer that his testimony would be harmful to USAPA.
 
BeCareful! said:
What arbitration are you referring to?
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Arbitrator stands by controversial list
Dawn Gilbertson - Apr. 26, 2009
The Arizona Republic
His name is a household name, often used in vain, in the pilot ranks at US Airways.George Nicolau, an 84-year-old New York attorney best known for his longtime role as Major League Baseball's arbitrator, is the federal arbitrator who two years ago issued the merged seniority list that bitterly divided the 5,000 pilots of the former America West Airlines and the old US Airways. The list is the unofficial centerpiece of a trial that begins in federal court in Phoenix Tuesday, pitting the two pilot groups against each other four years after the merger was announced. Nicolau won't be there and says he doesn't even know what the lawsuit is about.But he says he does know this: The list was fair. In the decision, he rejected US Airways pilots' requests for a seniority system based on date of hire, which would have strongly favored them given America West's younger age. He also weighed the career expectations of both sides and concluded that the financial future of US Airways was "not comparable to or as bright as that of America West" at the time of the merger.He came up with a blended seniority list that put several hundred of US Airways' most senior pilots, those flying the prized international flights, at the top and ranked the rest according to a ratio based on their status at the time of the merger. US Airways pilots on furlough at the time of the merger were put at the bottom, a major sore point. One of two pilots from outside America West/US Airways on the panel issued a dissenting opinion on that point but otherwise praised Nicolau's rationale.
"I still believe it's the right one," Nicolau said of the list.He was the only voting member of a three-member Air Line Pilots Association arbitration board that heard the case in late 2006. Nicolau said there were plenty of "fusses" about some of his Major League Baseball decisions, but none lingered as long as the US Airways decision.
 
BeCareful! said:
Gosh, there was a strongly worded remark. So, I guess I'll ask you: were USAPA attorneys involved in that arbitration?
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Nope. But their "esteemed client" inherited them. And that's all that matters, as you will soon find out a few weeks from now.

PHXFLYR:cool:

Proud non-member
 
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FDJ2 said:
Unbelievable. I don't doubt you one second, I just find it incredible that they would proffer the idea in court that a final and binding seniority award is a proposal subject to negotiations.
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Thanks....so do we


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Why doesn't Bradford or any of the other founding fathers of USAPA want to take the stand? They laid the cornerstone for the bedrock of union principles, DOH, and should be willing to defend that! Could it be that if they are exposed to cross examination, they could let out their dirty little secrets?
 
(spoken with an Irish brough )

"hmmmm....could be Clancey...could be. "

PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Does it matter the reason??? It's a court case, with lawyers looking for whatever advantage. It seems the west lawyers screwed up with the subpoenas, not just bradford's but guess I read a few others. So ask your lawyers on the west why they aren't testifying.

I'm sure if you were being sued for something, you would voluntarily take the stand even if your lawyers advised you it wouldnt' be in your best interest?

Oh I forgot, all the west pilots are little cherubs that never do anything wrong or try anything to put the advantage to themselves. I forgot what saints you guys are.....
 
The west's attorneys have nothing to do with it. Unless you are an individually named party to the lawsuit or an officer of an organization that is party to a lawsuit, you can't be subpoened to testify at a trial out of state. In this case Bradford and his band of merry pranksters engineered an election just before the trial so he would not be an officer. It blew up in thier face because the Judge ruled that if he does not testify live the jury will be instructed to presume that the testimony would be harmful to USAPA. It does not get much better than that for the west's attorneys.
 
Raoul Duke said:
The west's attorneys have nothing to do with it. Unless you are an individually named party to the lawsuit or an officer of an organization that is party to a lawsuit, you can't be subpoened to testify at a trial out of state. In this case Bradford and his band of merry pranksters engineered an election just before the trial so he would not be an officer. It blew up in thier face because the Judge ruled that if he does not testify live the jury will be instructed to presume that the testimony would be harmful to USAPA. It does not get much better than that for the west's attorneys.
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Engineered an election? Can't you think and read for yourself, dude?

The election occurred as a requirement of the CB&L that was written long ago before any talk of lawsuits.
 
Carl S. said:
Why doesn't Bradford or any of the other founding fathers of USAPA want to take the stand? They laid the cornerstone for the bedrock of union principles, DOH, and should be willing to defend that! Could it be that if they are exposed to cross examination, they could let out their dirty little secrets?
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Yeah, they fly black helicopters in their free time and secretly create crop circles too.
 
Well you see, it must have been a surprise by the west pilots, because they refuse to join or participate in their union. Yes the legally elected representatives of their CBA. So I guess if your not a member, you don't get updates, or told what's going on. I would imagine they wouldn't know what was going on...........blechhh
 
But what does Bradford have to hide? He created USAPA for the good of all 5400 LCC pilots and has nothing to hide. If I was pure, I would take the stand with no hesitation. Why is council saying to avoid the stand?
 
Turtle21 said:
Engineered an election? Can't you think and read for yourself, dude?

The election occurred as a requirement of the CB&L that was written long ago before any talk of lawsuits.
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If it was not engineered why did they exclude the individual from the west who was running for office?
 
Raoul Duke said:
If it was not engineered why did they exclude the individual from the west who was running for office?
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I think it was because he said up front that he would not uphold the constitution and bylaws. They then decided he had to be allowed to run, so thus the re-run.
 
BeCareful! said:
I think it was because he said up front that he would not uphold the constitution and bylaws. They then decided he had to be allowed to run, so thus the re-run.
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This is true. USAPA had no problem accepting his (and mine) applications for membership so it was then quite improper to turn around and say you can be a member yet not run for office.

No West pilot supports the DOH part of the C&BLs and never shall. Just like I wrote before the Nicolau award: if we should merge with another airline I support the concept of binding arbitration come what may.
 
TWA Dude said:
Just like I wrote before the Nicolau award: if we should merge with another airline I support the concept of binding arbitration come what may.
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Well then by God, if there's ever an election for a new son of god and you're running against Jesus Christ you'll get my vote, you pillar of integrity, you.
 
I thought USAPA was transparent. No inside deals, no FPL w*************************, real voting on contracts and side letters and new blood in office, not the same ALPA hacks that had the old AAA looking like the Hatfield/McCoys when it came to domicile reps. Bradford(really Cleary) had a vision to be as pure as the Virgin Mary! Tell me it ain't so!
 
Parella Cleary et al get FPL paid out at 120percent of their normal line guarentee. This from a "union" who had until recently no FPL loss wriiten in their C&b/l's No wonder why our guy wants to run for President ! Seems like the honey currently handling greviences found a loop hole to exploit so she can feather her own nest at your expense. When will you easties ever learn....

PHXFLYR

Proud non-member
 

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