USAPA Runoff election

[BeCareful!]

Anyone with a vote, something to consider: For many pilots, their only exposure to M. Cleary is his rant on the crewnews video on the Hub a few sessions ago. Poor showing, for sure.

But you should research his opponent's history and current intentions before judging Cleary unfit. Mowery's pretty proud of what was already negotiated by the old JNC, and you should know that he will want the NAC to move in that direction. That's WEAK! Don't let this happen, because it won't be good for any of us. His "constituency" is the senior east guy, who feel they can't wait for a legitamatly negotiated deal. They want their 20% raise NOW, and don't care what it does to the junior, to the work rules, to the reserves.

It will be far easier to temper Cleary's rough edges than it will be to change Doug's "where do I sign" mentality.

Over and out.

 

[MCDU]

I think that rant cost him alot of votes and probably the election.

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I think that rant cost him alot of votes and probably the election.

M

Getting more information from your boyfriend at US Air Mcdoosh?
Get back on your meds mcdoosh. No wonder GIA fired you!
Aren't you late for one of your gay outings?

 

[m80drvr]

Damn, all those pilots out east and these are the two that you get to vote on. AMAZING!!!!

 

[MCDU]

Its a runoff.

M

 

[abefly]

My question is which one of the two candidates will be better to help the 2700 East Pilots deal with the wake turbulance that is coming early May? Is the critical response team ready? I think that what judge Wake is about to impose will be a lot more serious than landing in the Hudson. So who do I vote for? Oh wait. Im not a member. Section 29 here I come!

 

[MCDU]

My question is which one of the two candidates will be better to help the 2700 East Pilots deal with the wake turbulance that is coming early May? Is the critical response team ready? I think that what judge Wake is about to impose will be a lot more serious than landing in the Hudson. So who do I vote for? Oh wait. Im not a member. Section 29 here I come!

Still hoping to cash in on that windfall that placed 650 active East pilots below your bottom pilot plus all the East Newhires in 2007. Thats 900 pilots below Odell. Thats what happened when the list came out. Your relative seniority bumped you 35% up the list when the Nic list was posted back in May 2007.
The Nic will never be implemented. Trust me.

M

 

[Ocity]

vote cleary. He's handed the West a DFR on a silver platter. He's made the attorneys job much easier/cheaper for the west. Keep him!!

 

[MCDU]

Dave Odell 2005 DOH your bottom pilot would have 860 pilots below him. His relative position went from 100% to 75% in 2 years. Thats a windfall.

M

 

[MCDU]

Come on Dope, post something. I see you prowling.
Dope another b*ttfger with integrity.

M

 

[abefly]

Dave Odell 2005 DOH your bottom pilot would have 860 pilots below him. His relative position went from 100% to 75% in 2 years. Thats a windfall.

M

Once again you dont get it, you never will. At the time of the merger Dave had a job! Those 860 pilots did not have a job! Get it? No you dont, you never will. Judge Wake gets it. I will be cashing in my so called "Lottery Ticket" soon enough!

 

[MCDU]

Does Dave have a Job now? He is furloughed. His job he brought never really existed and the Nic award would now place a furloughed 2005 DOH in front of a lineholder with a DOH 1988. How things change. Good thing that the Nic did not get implemented thanks to ALPA merger policy of dual ratification. The Nic would have had terrible consequences to East pilots again.

M

 

[abefly]

Does Dave have a Job now? He is furloughed. His job he brought never really existed and the Nic award would now place a furloughed 2005 DOH in front of a lineholder with a DOH 1988. How things change. Good thing that the Nic did not get implemented thanks to ALPA merger policy of dual ratification. The Nic would have had terrible consequences to East pilots again.

M

Well, Not exactly. You see if the east pilots did not pull out of joint negotiations and then for their own union on their own behalf called usapa then dave would not be on the street. You see you have to treat all people fairly when you are a union. otherwise you breach that duty of fair representation. When you do that then there are consequences. In this case the consequence will be implimentation of the nicolau list with full back pay for dave and the other furloughed pilots out of your pocket mcdu. I know, I know ,dual ratification right. So the judge will just say go play nice now right? Im pretty sure that he might see right through the whole dual ratification loop whole your hanging on to. But its really not worth arguing over we will just wait and see what happens. In the mean time good luck with your new president!

 

[AutoBus]

Still hoping to cash in on that windfall that placed 650 active East pilots below your bottom pilot
M

Perhaps with your twisted, self serving logic could you provide proof of what you are claiming.

Of course, your going to have to cite facts and not emotion.


Question? what were the names of the bottom active pilot's on both lists that actually brought jobs to this little party? (And I don't mean Home Depot and selling cars)

Makes sense they should be grouped together on the new list?

DOH MEANS NOTHING, The only reason you guys cling to it so dearly is because it gives YOU A WINDFALL.

IT's TRULY SAD AND PATHECTIC that your company was so decimated and mismanaged that your junior pilot on the property had 16 years of service. Think about it! The junior guy on the property 16 years! that's pretty bad, and a good indication of how screwed up thing were at the old USAirways.

It's a real shame! At AWA, SWA, CAL, etc that would have had him a senior captain.

BUT DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO RECOVER YOUR LOSSES FROM THE WEST PILOT GROUP

 

[MCDU]

Pilots flying for MDA had jobs flying and were left out. MDA was USAIR. Like it or not. Bottom active pilot East went all the way down the list. All pilots on furlough were offered recall by the time the Nic list came out due to retirements of 350 a year. All those jobs vacated belong to USAIR EAST pilots.

M

 

[ALGFLYR]

Mike C. and Randy M. won the runoff election...

 

[abefly]

Pilots flying for MDA had jobs flying and were left out. MDA was USAIR. Like it or not. Bottom active pilot East went all the way down the list. All pilots on furlough were offered recall by the time the Nic list came out due to retirements of 350 a year. All those jobs vacated belong to USAIR EAST pilots.

M

We will see around May 8th now won't we! How is that MDA Lawsuit coming along by the way? I hear it is moving real fast:laugh:

 

[becket]

Mike C. and Randy M. won the runoff election...

I hope that's true. If so, USAPA will be dead and buried in 12 months.

 

[MCDU]

I hope that's true. If so, USAPA will be dead and buried in 12 months.

Its true becket. Did you consider yourself a USAIR pilot when you flew for MetroJet under a different contract.? Can West pilots bid East positions now?

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Why do you guys listen to Mcdoosh. He's obviously some mouthpiece (in more than one way) for some 54 old Us Air f/o.
He's busy playing butt smack and bent back when he's not on here claiming to be a LCC pilot

Follow this link to where he even claims it!

Or this link to where he claims to be a United pilot.

Stick to serving fries, and your man love at LCC MC doosh, it's what you're best at!

 

[Metrojet]

Its true becket. Did you consider yourself a USAIR pilot when you flew for MetroJet under a different contract.? Can West pilots bid East positions now?

M

Not sure what you mean by that statement - Pilots on the Metrojet operation flew under the mainline contract via a side letter -

 

[AutoBus]

I hope that's true. If so, USAPA will be dead and buried in 12 months.

I hear the USAPA decert process has already been started, believe it or not by EAST pilots! Go figure that one out.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Has Judge Wake already ruled on this lawsuit?

Some of the comments here would lead one to believe that has already happened.

 

[MCDU]

Not sure what you mean by that statement - Pilots on the Metrojet operation flew under the mainline contract via a side letter -

Yes, the side letter meant that the contracts were different. Different pay, different work rules etc for same equipment etc..

M

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Isn't democracy great.... you get to elect your own representatives.... the problem is... you get to elect your own representatives....

 

[abefly]

Yes, the side letter meant that the contracts were different. Different pay, different work rules etc for same equipment etc..

M

Just out of curiosity lets say that judge wake does rule in favor of the west and let's say he orders immediate implementation of the Nic Award. What then MCDU? What will you do then. Have you thought about that possibility? Just curious

 

[BeCareful!]

DOH MEANS NOTHING

Well now, there's an intelligent comment. DOH means nothing. So, AutoBus, you're telling us that you don't want your DOH considered in any merger scenario, ever again......ever? Means nothing? Really?

That's as stupid a statement as anything ever said here on Flight Misinfo dot Com. Trust there's a merger scenario that would have you changing your story quicker than an out of work westie can hop on a flight to Australia. You're a g'damn liar.

 

[AutoBus]

Well now, there's an intelligent comment. DOH means nothing. So, AutoBus, you're telling us that you don't want your DOH considered in any merger scenario, ever again......ever? Means nothing? Really?

That's as stupid a statement as anything ever said here on Flight Misinfo dot Com. Trust there's a merger scenario that would have you changing your story quicker than an out of work westie can hop on a flight to Australia. You're a g'damn liar.

I'll say it again DOH means nothing!

It's your relative standing that matters in a merger, sorry to dissapoint you, Look at the NIC, Look at DAL/NWA, Look at ALPA Merger policy. Are you blind man?



The only people clinging to this tired DOH line are the angry FO's from the east and their little purpose built sham union. Even the East Captains are getting a little impatient with the angry FO club.

 

[cactusboy53]

Still hoping to cash in on that windfall that placed 650 active East pilots below your bottom pilot plus all the East Newhires in 2007. Thats 900 pilots below Odell. Thats what happened when the list came out. Your relative seniority bumped you 35% up the list when the Nic list was posted back in May 2007.
The Nic will never be implemented. Trust me.

M

Okay Marty. Are you or are you not a pilot for US Airways? If not, are you married to a pilot or related to a pilot for US Airways?

To answer your question about my "windfall", well yes....I plan on making the move out to Philly or CLT depending on which move is best for my commute & quality of life.

The bottom line is that it is a utter shame that the west pilots had to take our "union" to court for DFR. This should have been over with a new contract better than a year ago. Regardless of the outcome of the trial, the only real winner is LCC and Doug Parker. If the west prevails, the east will have fruitlessly waved goodbye to legal fees, wages, time off and benefits that will NEVER be recovered.

Simply pitiful.

 

[BeCareful!]

Oh, I thought none of the west pilots wanted to come east....that was their story for so long. Now, you're coming. OK. Wow, great.

How many contracts have any of you guys seen negotiated? Because it cracks me up how you all think if not for our E vs W fight, then there would surely be a contract in place. Do any of you pay attention to how long other airlines, even those represented by the mighty and beloved ALPA, go past their amendable dates before getting a contract? My guess is that you do, but it's just so convenient to act like the fight over your potential windfall is the only reason we don't have one. Did it ever occur to you that Parker and the boys have no intention of negotiating in good faith until the NMB forces them to? Why should we expect that they would behave any differently than any other airline? Our fight has nothing to do with it; they are using it as an excuse, because it suits them, and it causes even more hatred between the groups, but you're dilusional if you think that a contract would be in place without all this fighting.