Usapa lost!!!!!!!!!

[vetrider]

Fences don't work, they assume a static industry, things change.



Let me guess? you are a lower seniority East guy looking for a windfall?

Naw, he's in the top 100 just standing up for what's right.

 

[TWA Dude]

OK how about a fence 10, 20 years high in which time an East pilot can NEVER bid to a West position?

Are you still trying to argue seniority integration? Dude, that's so 2007. If you wanted fences you should've had your merger committee argue for it. Oops, you say that happened already and you agreed to binding arbitration? Well, then it's over. The Nicolau list is the new reality and that's all the West wants and yes, we're entitled to it.

 

[michael707767]

Are you still trying to argue seniority integration? Dude, that's so 2007. If you wanted fences you should've had your merger committee argue for it. Oops, you say that happened already and you agreed to binding arbitration? Well, then it's over. The Nicolau list is the new reality and that's all the West wants and yes, we're entitled to it.

He is right. The time to argue about the seniority list ended the minute the Nic award came out. It really doesn't matter what the award said. The east pilots agreed to arbitration and they agreed to live with the result. That should be the end of it. The east pilots are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.

 

[FR8mastr]

My life was just fine prior to Parker aquiring us air. You brought nothing to the table except furloughs.

Thanks for asking.

Oh I forgot, The AWE was hiring in 05, and everyone knows that if that was the case, that would continue for ever. I do remember seeing a documentary on the discovery channel about the little known fact of how the economy has no effect to an airline based only in PHX. It also went on to explain that if upgrades were happening in 3 to 5 years that would also hold true for ever. Very interesting.

So I am very sorry I simply forgot I saw that episode.

 

[FR8mastr]

I said I could prove it is not really about "we only want what we had"

 

[regionaltard]

I said I could prove it is not really about "we only want what we had"

What you are conveniently choosing to ignore is that the time for the argument that you are making, and it's not an unreasonable one IMO, was prior to the arbitration. Instead your delusional "leadership" went for the whole enchilada even after Nicolau did everything but paint a picture to indicate that he wasn't going to buy the DOH proposal. There is zero doubt in my mind that from day one the east figured that outnumbering the West by 2:1 would enable them to rescue their failed careers at Cactus' expense. You knew that winning the arbitration was a longshot; your fatal miscalculation was believing that you'd get another chance to trade pesos for dollars and convert useless longevity into seniority.

 

[reepicheep]

This is all a distraction from the real issue: At the time of the merger US Airways was roughly half the size it was in 1989. This is why Nic. came down the way it did, and would have in a merger with pretty near any other carrier. The fabled 20-year F/O's we keep hearing about today got that way because usair imploded.

 

[MCDU]

This is all a distraction from the real issue: At the time of the merger US Airways was roughly half the size it was in 1989. This is why Nic. came down the way it did, and would have in a merger with pretty near any other carrier. The fabled 20-year F/O's we keep hearing about today got that way because usair imploded.

Well, USair is not alone. Lets look at ATA, United, American, Midwest Express, Aloha, TWA and Delta. There are many more to list. Most are half their size and no longer have a pension. Some of them are gone. Its not only USAIR that have taken so many cuts.

I guess one of the few real strong carrier would have been AWA. They were a powerhouse back in 2005. And without the merger with USAIRWAYS, they would still be upgrading and would be flying 330's to Europe. I feel bad for all those AWA pilots that are working under the best contract they ever had.

M

 

[reepicheep]

Did any of them furlough back to '88? Do any of them today, have 20-year narrowbody F/O's; that's all they can hold?

The condition of AWA isn't the issue - usair would have had an ugly sen. integration with anybody.

 

[regionaltard]

The condition of AWA isn't the issue - usair would have had an ugly sen. integration with anybody.

True story. They would have taken that ridiculous sense of entitlement with them no matter where they went.