USAPA/APA and arbitration

[radarlove]

For those that are on the inside, what happens if and when the NMB grants the American Pilots Association representational authority over all US Airways pilots and the arbitration hasn't happened yet?

It looks like Judge Silver said that USAPA can't have anything to do with seniority battling when they no longer represent the US Airways pilots, so how does arbitration under Bond-Macaskill work? Does the APA sit on both sides of the table? Who represents the interests of the US Airways guys?

This is a weird situation, it will probably work out fine if the NMB doesn't rule until after arbitration is done, but what if it does? Anyone have any insight?

 

[St. Nic]

APA is a collection of fools! They will can't have it both ways and USAPA just filed a lawsuit in DC to block them from there revenge streak against the US Airways pilots. The west better get on board with THERE union and stop the APA monster before it kills them. The west brings nothing to the table and can easily be cut out of the system.
The NMB WILL NOT give the APA the key that they want to screw the US pilots. They screwed TWA with a staple but that won't happen again.

 

[Dan Roman]

APA is a collection of fools! They will can't have it both ways and USAPA just filed a lawsuit in DC to block them from there revenge streak against the US Airways pilots. The west better get on board with THERE union and stop the APA monster before it kills them. The west brings nothing to the table and can easily be cut out of the system.
The NMB WILL NOT give the APA the key that they want to screw the US pilots. They screwed TWA with a staple but that won't happen again.

Let's see, everything USAPA has been a massive fail. USAPA simply froze everyone's pay while USAir pressed on with WAY below industry standard pay. USAPA was, as time has proven, a mistake. It didn't work out well for anyone. So..... should anyone still follow their lead or just deal with reality and move forward?
The USAPA generation of east pilots has come to an end, it is what it is. Worry about the next generation of pilots, not the train wreck that USAPA created.
Another wave of fruitless lawsuits will not benefit anyone but a few lawyers.

 

[Dan Roman]

By the way St Nic, you coupled third grade grammar with making a point that APA can't do to you what you threaten USAPA can do to the West pilots..... Might be a clue there as to why USAPA cheerleaders are held in such low regard dude.

 

[JetMonkey]

Wow dude, I see that fourth grade education is doing wonders for your grammar. It's "Their" not there to describe possession. However, NEVER have I nor will I acknowledge that fake circus to have ever represented me.

 

[radarlove]

Slap-flighting aside, seriously, what happens in an arbitration? Does APA hire lawyers and consultants for both sides of the table? I imagine some discussion of this has already taken place. For sake of argument, pretend the NMB gave APA full representational authority. Then how does the arbitration work?

 

[Lampshade]

The same as if two ALPA carriers merged. One union which is suppose to represent all pilots covered (DFR liability if they don't) and two merger committees fighting it out in front of a arbitrator. The unknown is how the US Airways committee will decide what list/proposal goes forward. Another arbitration between east/west before the main aribitration? or will APA decide internally?

 

[Old School 737]

This is gonna be the biggest s--- storm of all time... Usapa .. What a joke ..no respect for those guys .. They have done nothing to further any pilot bargaining power....or help with any safety issues in this industry at all .. I hope the Easties get pounded and the west guys don't get to messed up in this ..too bad

 

[Bringupthebird]

No, APA will have every right to choose the SLI under their watch as sole CBA. They will likely cede that power to an arbitrator and submit their list and the Nicolau list to an arbitration panel, just to keep their hands clean.

They really can't submit 3 lists because the HP/US arbitration was already done and APA doesn't want to open a can of worms about which USAPA has already been warned by numerous courts.

An arbitration panel will hand down their ruling and it will be implemented followed by a new contract (not a joint contract) negotiated by the APA.

USAPA may try to block any or all of this, but there is no court who hasn't already seen through their phony union window dressing. With the support of the AWA pilots, APA will do what USAPA was too impotent to do and the east pilots will be marginalized until the entire pilot group becomes homogenized in about 5-10 years.

 

[Data]

Not that their is a snowball's chance in hell of it happening, but, for the sake of argument, if USAPA was elected the union for the new AAL, what do you think APA would be doing right now? You think they'd sit idly by as USAPA determined who represented the folks in Dallas? Did APA, in fact, try to change the language of what was agreed upon previously as to who would represent each group? Is that even what happened? Both groups put out emails pointing fingers at the other group.