USAPA/APA and arbitration

[sniper]

No, APA will have every right to choose the SLI under their watch as sole CBA. They will likely cede that power to an arbitrator and submit their list and the Nicolau list to an arbitration panel, just to keep their hands clean.

They really can't submit 3 lists because the HP/US arbitration was already done and APA doesn't want to open a can of worms about which USAPA has already been warned by numerous courts.

An arbitration panel will hand down their ruling and it will be implemented followed by a new contract (not a joint contract) negotiated by the APA.

USAPA may try to block any or all of this, but there is no court who hasn't already seen through their phony union window dressing. With the support of the AWA pilots, APA will do what USAPA was too impotent to do and the east pilots will be marginalized until the entire pilot group becomes homogenized in about 5-10 years.

very well said

 

[Turtle21]

Slap-flighting aside, seriously, what happens in an arbitration? Does APA hire lawyers and consultants for both sides of the table? I imagine some discussion of this has already taken place. For sake of argument, pretend the NMB gave APA full representational authority. Then how does the arbitration work?

According to MB. It's a statute, therefore the NMB can't summarily disregard it.

 

[Dornier 335]

Wtf?

I am confused.... page 2 and still no ranting by FI's top troll? Even worse "Goodbye USAPA" hasn't seen one comment by him in the last ten pages! Can't be true, I think I must declare those two threads null and void...!

 

[Ocity]

According to MB. It's a statute, therefore the NMB can't summarily disregard it.

You ratified an MOU that specified the SLI would be CONSISTENT with MB...not exactly MB itself. The NMB could care less about SLI. It's all addressed in the MOU YOU AGREED TO. The APA know how to be a union, USTUPID does not. I'm not at all worried about the APA. As long as uskkabba dies a quick painful death, I'm happy.

 

[sean67]

No, APA will have every right to choose the SLI under their watch as sole CBA. They will likely cede that power to an arbitrator and submit their list and the Nicolau list to an arbitration panel, just to keep their hands clean.

They really can't submit 3 lists because the HP/US arbitration was already done and APA doesn't want to open a can of worms about which USAPA has already been warned by numerous courts.

An arbitration panel will hand down their ruling and it will be implemented followed by a new contract (not a joint contract) negotiated by the APA.

USAPA may try to block any or all of this, but there is no court who hasn't already seen through their phony union window dressing. With the support of the AWA pilots, APA will do what USAPA was too impotent to do and the east pilots will be marginalized until the entire pilot group becomes homogenized in about 5-10 years.

Nic is over dude! Get off this website and get a life!!!!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

You must cultivate such ignorance with the fertilizer USAPA supplies. Are you making plans for a big VDR with your handful of USAPA loyalists?

Panic much?

 

[Turtle21]

you ratified an mou that specified the sli would be consistent with mb...not exactly mb itself. The nmb could care less about sli. It's all addressed in the mou you agreed to. The apa know how to be a union, ustupid does not. I'm not at all worried about the apa. As long as uskkabba dies a quick painful death, i'm happy.

"consistent"

 

[DCAA320]

The APA know how to be a union,...I'm not at all worried about the APA...

This makes you stupid.

 

[becket]

This makes you stupid.

I'll take the APA any day over this fake SKKABB union that has cause over a billion dollars worth of damage to it's own pilot group. USAPA is nothing but an organized crime syndicate...the dumbest, most ineffective band of idiotic criminals to ever fumble their way through life.:laugh:

 

[Bringupthebird]

This makes you stupid.

Said the man who pays the highest dues in the industry so that his "leaders" could force him to remain on BK wages for a decade even after management unilaterally offered a raise.

Yeah, bow to the expert.

 

[DCAA320]

Said the man who pays the highest dues in the industry so that his "leaders" could force him to remain on BK wages for a decade even after management unilaterally offered a raise.

Yeah, bow to the expert.

Did I mention USAPA? You missed the point but I don't expect much from you and your buds.

 

[radarlove]

well, I guess we can't move completely away from slap-fighting. But this situation comes across as odd. So the JCBA comes first? Is that in your MOU? So when APA is in charge, they pick merger committees, or do they just assign the current merger committee at USAPA to the other side of the table?

The reason I'm asking is that it seems possibile, if non-plausible, that the APA could assign hand-picked pilots to "represent" US Airways pilot's interests during an arbitration and completely dismiss their current merger committee, or whatever USAPA calls it. That seems a bit too much in APA's favor, how do they deal with DFR if they get to hand-pick both sides of the arbitration table?

 

[FlyinGuy]

Here comes the Nic followed by a typical AA beat down!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

well, I guess we can't move completely away from slap-fighting. But this situation comes across as odd. So the JCBA comes first? Is that in your MOU? So when APA is in charge, they pick merger committees, or do they just assign the current merger committee at USAPA to the other side of the table?

The reason I'm asking is that it seems possibile, if non-plausible, that the APA could assign hand-picked pilots to "represent" US Airways pilot's interests during an arbitration and completely dismiss their current merger committee, or whatever USAPA calls it. That seems a bit too much in APA's favor, how do they deal with DFR if they get to hand-pick both sides of the arbitration table?

Versus writing a single SLI methodology into your so-called constitution and then claiming you are forced to use it because it's in there?

Because APA is the representative (de facto) of the new American regardless of USAPA's lame-duck status, they will do very little of the SLI process other than hand over their list and the combined AWA/US list which was previously accepted by US management - the Nic. By sending it directly to arbitration they absolve themselves of any DFR responsibility.

Unless they do something completely stupid like feigning surprise at the arbitrators award and then try to overturn it. But who in their right mind would try that knowing they would face a losing DFR case?

Again.

 

[Bringupthebird]

BTW- Radar, you seem to have asked the same question a number of times. Is there a different answer you are hoping to get?