USAirways Furloughs

[abefly]

How far from the bottom is he in November? I just talked to the lady in charge of the letters yesterday (apparently when you refuse a certified letter, they get concerned...) and I am 26 from the bottom after November's furloughs. She told me there are none planned (YET, they're just waiting for the numbers for manpower planning due by mid-October) for December, and they'll be back in full swing by January. So, is the guy in your cpad gone in Nov or Dec?

If you dont mind me asking are you east or west and what is your doh?

 

[Fast43]

Dream on!

Okay then weasel,

Parker has accepted the list for this Bargining Cycle and has signed a contract (TA) as well, obligating him to use it. You guys while smoking sehams crack have decided to ignore this. It has nothing to do with who is or was our Bargining agent. It's a contract and he signed it.

So what would you call it.

Fast

 

[Turtle21]

.. Seniority list negotiation complete.
..

Not according to the terms of the TA.. not to mention common sense.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

as far as I understand the court has nothing to do with it anymore. the new union is based on DOH. nic is gone. even if some court somewhere said you guys have to use nic, asapa could just say ok, then make a resolution and vote to toss it out (and it would get tossed as long as there are more east than west). a court can't tell a union or any other organization how to organize itself.

That's fine. The question isn't who's gonna make that call. The question is what are the East folks gonna do if, in the end, the Nic award or some kind of relative seniority is the final award?

I really am curious. Are they gonna quit? Are they gonna go on strike? Are they gonna march in front of the HQ? If it happens what are they gonna do?

 

[Bad-Andy]

If you dont mind me asking are you east or west and what is your doh?

New hire on the 190, East. Dec 2007. (and before anyone starts blasting me about the out of seniority thing, it isn't my choice and I'm doing my damnedest to go...)

 

[Turtle21]

... what are they gonna do?

Obviously both sides will exhaust every remedy available... until they are exhausted.

ALPA? what? a union?

 

[OPECJet]

CAPT ZALLAI............

Cap spent many hours in the crewrooms and the cockpit with yours truly and other ALPA yahoos. I think he knew what he was getting into and it's a dam sight better than what he came from (you know how true that is....).

The difference between he and lots of other guys in the industry, me included, is that he can keep level head and appreciate what he has instead of being pissed at what he feels he's owed. What he and no one else could foresee was the high oil price bomb going off in all our faces. Without that, we wouldn't be talking furloughs and downsizing. I don't like the whole ****************************** thing anymore than you do, but the immediate issue is our friends are on the street.

Cheers

 

[Deadalus]

Not according to the terms of the TA.. not to mention common sense.

Would that be the same common sense that goes from near liquadation, to fighting binding arbitration, to f#$%ing up the chance for a great contract. I think "morons" is the correct term.

 

[JAB31]

Guys...I started this thread to find info/intel about guys getting furloughed! If ya'll want to bicker about east vs. west, start a new post ..its getting really old.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

Dream on. Still trying to cash that lottery ticket. Well that ticket went bye bye.M

some lottery ticket....usair 15yr 767 cap....$144
my 14yr A300FO last trip....$144

 

[ackattacker]

some lottery ticket....usair 15yr 767 cap....$144
my 14yr A300FO last trip....$144

Does the money help to fill the empty void in your soul?

 

[Caddaddy]

Anyone know the doh of the bottom east blockholder and bottom east captain?

 

[waveflyer]

Does the money help to fill the empty void in your soul?

It's a relevant point that AAA pilots had the opportunity to improve this industry- and they CHOSE not to b/c of their entitlement issues. Their contract is worse than most 'regionals'

i knew at 25 that seniority doesn't equal longevity- to have that unfounded DOH expectation and then screw the whole industry that is designed to pattern bargain is awful.

 

[Turtle21]

It's a relevant point that AAA pilots had the opportunity to improve this industry- and they CHOSE not to b/c of their entitlement issues. Their contract is worse than most 'regionals'

i knew at 25 that seniority doesn't equal longevity- to have that unfounded DOH expectation and then screw the whole industry that is designed to pattern bargain is awful.

The ALPA president signed the contract that gave away the pension. The one that no AAA pilot got to vote on.

The ALPA president signs every contract. If ALPA wanted to pattern bargain then the buck stops with the president that started the pattern of giving away billions in pensions (read B... Billions).

And it was the ALPA president that signed off on Rat Jets for Delta that have now spread everywhere.

Its a shame that ALPA encourages pilot groups to gang up on those "bad" pilots that undermine "our pattern bargaining". The blame game against those "other pilots" is all about masking the stench of ALPA, while the concept of a union is mysteriously forgotten.

 

[Deadalus]

It's a relevant point that AAA pilots had the opportunity to improve this industry- and they CHOSE not to b/c of their entitlement issues. Their contract is worse than most 'regionals'

i knew at 25 that seniority doesn't equal longevity- to have that unfounded DOH expectation and then screw the whole industry that is designed to pattern bargain is awful.

I'd say you just hit the nail on the head. At 25 you were a whole lot smarter than the majority of east pilots.