UsAirways E190 Upgrades

[St. Nic]

No Nic!!!

 

[Ocity]

No Nic!!!

How do you know yet? You very well might be begging for the Nic after sli and an independent west MC. ****************************** can't stop that no matter what....just a failed experiment of a former bargaining agent. An agent that wasted 1/3rd of your career.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Turtle, you forgot to mention the price tag on those ties! Better buy half a dozen before they run out!

Pilots donate a couple hundred bucks for a tie. USAPA puts the whole pilot group in the tank for a lanyard. Even though it cost the pilots millions in forfeited contractual gains, I still think the judge was right in granting the injunction against USAPA. There are rules you play by that keep you relevant and in the game but you-SAPA never had the maturity to grasp that.

Too bad its leaders (sic) weren't fired.

 

[Turtle21]

Pilots donate a couple hundred bucks for a tie. USAPA puts the whole pilot group in the tank for a lanyard. Even though it cost the pilots millions in forfeited contractual gains, I still think the judge was right in granting the injunction against USAPA. There are rules you play by that keep you relevant and in the game but you-SAPA never had the maturity to grasp that.

Too bad its leaders (sic) weren't fired.

This has always been a dispute about keeping seniority. There is no expense spared on seniority, as the West and East have both proven for a long time now.

 

[Bringupthebird]

This has always been a dispute about keeping seniority. There is no expense spared on seniority, as the West and East have both proven for a long time now.

How long have you been asleep? If the east hadn't ginned up USAPA and extorted money from the west and squandered dues money on dead-end vindictive lawsuits against individual members, it would have just been a dispute. The "dispute" as you soft pedal it, is a tiny part of a much larger effort by the east to bully the west and force them to pay for it, all the while the east's immaturity costs us all hundreds of thousands and salts the earth between pilots who should be working together.

Go back to sleep, but don't wake up McKee when you slip back into bed.

 

[Superbird]

How long have you been asleep?

Go back to sleep, but don't wake up McKee when you slip back into bed.

I think there is more than one bedfellow!

 

[Turtle21]

How long have you been asleep? If the east hadn't ginned up USAPA and extorted money from the west and squandered dues money on dead-end vindictive lawsuits against individual members, it would have just been a dispute. The "dispute" as you soft pedal it, is a tiny part of a much larger effort by the east to bully the west and force them to pay for it, all the while the east's immaturity costs us all hundreds of thousands and salts the earth between pilots who should be working together.

Go back to sleep, but don't wake up McKee when you slip back into bed.

You dispute that there is a dispute.... That's rich.

 

[Bringupthebird]

You dispute that there is a dispute.... That's rich.

No, you don't know what you're fighting over, but you make sure you open the money valve all the way to "defend" you. That's pitiful.

 

[Green]

It is true that the East doesn't have a Gazillion widebodies, however the East does have 20 A350-900's on order with delivery starting in 2017. These orders have been on the books since Steven Wolf's tenure and the order has survived two bankruptcies and the America West merger. The A350's are on the East side of the balance sheet in the Transition Agreement.

The demonstrators are out flying and were in Dallas recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E_byM38RTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FIfSPrZZ50

I've read some stupid sh#t on this site but your post is surprisingly dense. So steven Wolf placed those orders? He must have ordered them before he retired from US Air in 1998 with a delivery date 20+ years into the future. I know Airbus is slow to develop new equipment but 20 years seems a bit excessive.

FYI, The A350's were ordered by Doug Parker of America West Airlines in July of 2006.

 

[BeachBummer]

I've read some stupid sh#t on this site but your post is surprisingly dense. So steven Wolf placed those orders? He must have ordered them before he retired from US Air in 1998 with a delivery date 20+ years into the future. I know Airbus is slow to develop new equipment but 20 years seems a bit excessive.

FYI, The A350's were ordered by Doug Parker of America West Airlines in July of 2006.

Pretty sure the a350 didn't even hit the drawing board until 2004 if memory serves. Maybe wolf was smarter than everyone thought?! LoL

 

[MCDU]

They were 330 orders that ended up going to Nwa due to the Bks.

M

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Ok, so what's the deal with these neck ties? Do they literally have something written on them? Total outsider. Just curious.

 

[dollacrackho]

Ok, so what's the deal with these neck ties? Do they literally have something written on them? Total outsider. Just curious.

If you were part of the most childish, egotistical, retarded seniority negotiation in the history of the world wouldn't you want a 600 dollar tie to commemorate it ?

 

[LearLove]

If you were part of the most childish, egotistical, retarded seniority negotiation in the history of the world wouldn't you want a 600 dollar tie to commemorate it ?

I don't care what side you're on, that there is some funny sh1t.

 

[Turtle21]

Ok, so what's the deal with these neck ties? Do they literally have something written on them? Total outsider. Just curious.

http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/contribute.html

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Thanks for the responses guys. I did have to laugh at the "commemorative" comment.

The good news is that you can get the "tall" for the same price if you're into full Windsor knots.

 

[Dornier 335]

How long have you been asleep? If the east hadn't ginned up USAPA and extorted money from the west and squandered dues money on dead-end vindictive lawsuits against individual members, it would have just been a dispute. The "dispute" as you soft pedal it, is a tiny part of a much larger effort by the east to bully the west and force them to pay for it, all the while the east's immaturity costs us all hundreds of thousands and salts the earth between pilots who should be working together.

Go back to sleep, but don't wake up McKee when you slip back into bed.

Hey Grumpy, since you use the magic word (up there in bold), why don't you tell us about the Cactus Pilot badges that indicated the monetary amount contributed to a certain law firm and pilots not displaying that Cactus Pilot badge were put on "no-fly" lists by their fellow West pilots (no access to open time etc.). Remember there are usually three sides to story.

Question of the day: Has the freedom tie replaced the CP badges that were banned by the company a couple of years ago?

 

[Guppiedriver]

If you were part of the most childish, egotistical, retarded seniority negotiation in the history of the world wouldn't you want a 600 dollar tie to commemorate it ?

Seniority negotiation?!? Is that what you numb nutz are pissed about? All this time I thought you were pissed about getting your @ss handed to you in arbitration.

 

[dollacrackho]

I bet that tie looks real snazzy on you. And I have no side in this shameful turdball of a situation.

 

[Guppiedriver]

I bet that tie looks real snazzy on you. And I have no side in this shameful turdball of a situation.

Then butt the hell out...you don't have a clue.

 

[Groucho]

I may be wrong on the exact date, however your date of July 2006 is also incorrect. The July 2006 date was a re-confirmation of a previous order. If you take a look at the AWA / US Transition Agreement, dated September 20, 2005, you will see 20 A350's on the US Side of the ledger with delivery dates (TBD), to be determined. These aircraft were on the order books prior to the AWA / US merger.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hey Grumpy, since you use the magic word (up there in bold), why don't you tell us about the Cactus Pilot badges that indicated the monetary amount contributed to a certain law firm and pilots not displaying that Cactus Pilot badge were put on "no-fly" lists by their fellow West pilots (no access to open time etc.). Remember there are usually three sides to story.

Nope, I have yet to hear anyone ask another pilot about their contribution to defending against the USAPA thugs. It's a question everyone already knows the answer to.

Now tell us about the intimidation of east pilots who rejected USAPA's original questionable card drive. Tell us about the shockingly high dues delinquency rate on the east.

Yes, you're right about the 3 sides of the story: 1st there's USAPA bragging about something they had nothing to do with, then 2 there is USAPA being caught in the lie and backpedaling, and then 3 there is USAPA blaming ALPA or the APA or the West or the court system or....

 

[Dornier 335]

Nope, I have yet to hear anyone ask another pilot about their contribution to defending against the USAPA thugs. It's a question everyone already knows the answer to.

Now tell us about the intimidation of east pilots who rejected USAPA's original questionable card drive. Tell us about the shockingly high dues delinquency rate on the east.

Yes, you're right about the 3 sides of the story: 1st there's USAPA bragging about something they had nothing to do with, then 2 there is USAPA being caught in the lie and backpedaling, and then 3 there is USAPA blaming ALPA or the APA or the West or the court system or....

Yeah Grumpy! I still remember your classy comment/statement about East pilots allowing a fake pilot ride the jumpseat! Fact check was quite different! Talk about lie and backpedaling! What is that called again?

 

[General Lee]

Yeah Grumpy! I still remember your classy comment/statement about East pilots allowing a fake pilot ride the jumpseat! Fact check was quite different! Talk about lie and backpedaling! What is that called again?

Hey, didn't the Easties agree to binding arbitration and actually approved Nicolau to oversee the whole thing? They could have actually excluded him from the beginning, but instead agreed to abide by his decision. Hmmmm. How did that work out? What a bunch of Jackholes. Don't call others liars when you can't even remember the truth yourself. But.... But... Yeah, that's right, you are wrong.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[DCAA320]

Hey, didn't the Easties agree to binding arbitration and actually approved Nicolau to oversee the whole thing? They could have actually excluded him from the beginning, but instead agreed to abide by his decision. Hmmmm. How did that work out? What a bunch of Jackholes. Don't call others liars when you can't even remember the truth yourself. But.... But... Yeah, that's right, you are wrong.

Bye Bye---Genital Lee

Well nic was suffering from dementia and Alzheimer so his conclusions were suspect. Bitch lee, for a senior guy who supposedly makes 6 figures plus, you have too much time on your hands. Yes I know, you have boy friends on the west. Good 4 u

 

[dollacrackho]

This thread was about 190 upgrades. Why don't the three or four of you rent a room and you can continue your circle jerk there. And General Lee can be the gimp.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Yeah Grumpy! I still remember

So Dork can't or won't answer the question. It was a pretty simple one. Ask McKee if you need to. Call Bradford or your hero Mike Cleary and ask him about the promises they made while you're at it.

There was an unauthorized person in the flight deck, that fact was never in dispute. The pilots control access to the flight deck. End of indefensible story.

From most of your posts, restrictions on such access appear quite lax.

 

[stickler]

It'll be nice when all you old grumpy bitches retire and we don't have to hear all about how some side screwed the other side. The 3rd listers don't give a crap and are looking to the future.

 

[dollacrackho]

Like button plus a million stickler. This sh!te is so old. Just gotta keep hiring and retiring so the the numbers of miserable grudge holding babies continues to dwindle.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The third listers are just as culpable for failing to do what they could. No BPR recalls = tacit approval. Reconciliation of east and west depends on removing those in office who ginned up USAPA and who have benefited from the disunity.

Have you benefited from the disunity? Then stop crying about suffering the valid opinions of those whose careers have been gutted by the tyranny of USAPA.

The BPR is using bogus delay tactics to keep themselves and their unfettered access to the financial feeding trough in place as long as possible. They could care less about you. Its time you woke up and acknowledged that fact.