USAir East West NIC Award Resolution? Very soon!

[B-atch]

Enjoy all that growth under your new bid!!! Still under LOA 93 till the NIC. kicks in and all Westies slide into those line holding positions!!!!

If it makes YOU feel better....
Word on the street is... A PHX base spin-off. AMR/UCC finds NO VALUE in a hub city too close to DFW. Besides the profit margins out of PHX are more in line with an LCC's cost structure. The higher CPSM associated with a NEW US/AA pilot contract would instantly make PHX a money looser!! It already is. Look for JB or, possibly SW to make a run for the west operation..
Then you can frame the Nic and proudly display it on your mantle..

 

[Dornier 335]

Nope!! 5 330s coming on-line first quarter..

Do you know how many E9s are coming back from Republic?

 

[B-atch]

Do you know how many E9s are coming back from Republic?

Nope..I've heard 5...

 

[Flybywire44]

Technically INCORRECT, the company said in the Addington trial that they would expect to perhaps pay an additional 7-8% on top of the current offer of 3% increase (of the AWS wage while under ALPA). That is $142 X 1.11 = $157.62 an hour. YOU COULD HAVE HAD THAT IN 2007!!

We could have been negotiating a SECOND post merger contract NOW (like Delta ALREADY DID - EARLY).

You sad sacks have bucked and weaved yourselves into the lowest wage in the industry all for the legally flawed chase of Date of Hire. REMEMBER: NO court has EVER overturned an arbitrated seniority list (just ask Mike & Randy. Hey, aren't they retired now?).

Lost $$, NEVER to be recovered. TONS of $$ spend on a paper chase, that will get you only DELAY. Sad, sad, sad.

West ALPA reps should have taken this under consideration when they refused to MOU the Nicolai award until it was too late.

Both West/East are equally responsible here.

 

[Ocity]

West ALPA reps should have taken this under consideration when they refused to MOU the Nicolai award until it was too late.

Both West/East are equally responsible here.

What does "MOU the Nicolau award" mean? Why would one need to ever get a Memorandum of Understanding regarding a final and binding arbitration?

 

[ALGFLYR]

Is only because attrition. The increase flying is only seasonal.

Not true... Only the 75/76 flying is seasonal only. The 330 is also for fleet growth and the 190 is also fleet growth...

 

[Flybywire44]

What does "MOU the Nicolau award" mean? Why would one need to ever get a Memorandum of Understanding regarding a final and binding arbitration?

West and East ALPAs started working on an MOU to the NIC when it became obvious that USAPA may takeover. The MOU established additional restrictions, fences and a credit for the retirements now occurring East. This occurred soon after ALPA national waived their right to replace the East MEC for refusing to negotiate—they also knew USAPA was a credible threat.

 

[Bringupthebird]

West and East ALPAs started working on an MOU to the NIC when it became obvious that USAPA may takeover.

How much more mileage do you intend to drag out of that lie.

There was no MOU of the sort. Of course your credibility would only be threatened if you had any to start with.

You so-called friend told you this, but the east has a track record of gullibility. Like spinning off a base. You are aware there are other employees besides pilots, don't you.


Another "a-ha" moment, brought to you by reality.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Not true... Only the 75/76 flying is seasonal only. The 330 is also for fleet growth and the 190 is also fleet growth...

How 'bout them 737s????

 

[becket]

West and East ALPAs started working on an MOU to the NIC when it became obvious that USAPA may takeover. The MOU established additional restrictions, fences and a credit for the retirements now occurring East. This occurred soon after ALPA national waived their right to replace the East MEC for refusing to negotiate—they also knew USAPA was a credible threat.

We don't negotiate with terrorists. See you in Court...and on LOA93 into perpetuity.

 

[Metrojet]

We don't negotiate with terrorists. See you in Court...and on LOA93 into perpetuity.

And neither does Netanyahu - "You want peace? Well then - surrender"

Metrojet

 

[TWA Dude]

Word on the street is... A PHX base spin-off.

But, but, I thought the West was gonna spun off to Republic? Love to hear what fantasy you'll come up with next week.

 

[Flybywire44]

How much more mileage do you intend to drag out of that lie.

There was no MOU of the sort. Of course your credibility would only be threatened if you had any to start with.

You so-called friend told you this, but the east has a track record of gullibility. Like spinning off a base. You are aware there are other employees besides pilots, don't you.


Another "a-ha" moment, brought to you by reality.

Talk to your former negotiating Reps—This is common knowledge.


I'm not insulting anyone here, just saying that West/East Alpa leadership tried to avoid USAPA by working together.

 

[cactusboy53]

West and East ALPAs started working on an MOU to the NIC when it became obvious that USAPA may takeover. The MOU established additional restrictions, fences and a credit for the retirements now occurring East. This occurred soon after ALPA national waived their right to replace the East MEC for refusing to negotiate—they also knew USAPA was a credible threat.

???? Never heard that one. I know these west representatives that you speak. None of them would be stupid enough to negotiate away from an agreed upon process & the resulting final & binding arbitration. The East has proven time and time again that their word is worth spit.

Just another USAPA lie. You've heard of the Kubler-Ross stages of grief? It is a path to the completion of grief. Unfortunately, USAPian's just keep going in circles: DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION - DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION.....

Acceptance is never reached in this version of the KR model.

The West is ONLY to blame for defending our position. That and trusting that the east can keep their word.

 

[skyguy40]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

 

[Monster Buck]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

USAir, decades of horrible pay..... horrible atmosphere.....good luck

 

[becket]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

You'll hear about this until your career is over or when the last Nic award pilot retires. Or dies. Many will never get past it. It takes a CEO with the slightest bit of courage and integrity to end this. The Alcoholic d-bag Doug Parker has neither in any measurable amount. So it's up to the legal system. 7 years on with zero progress and no end in sight of ending bk era contracts. I'd really think twice about making us air anything but a stepping stone.

 

[cactusboy53]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

David;
We "flipped a coin" when both bodies agreed to the merger process in 2005-2007. We will get past this eventually. It will happen when the company has had enough and makes a decision, when the courts rule specifically what must be done, or when one party finally agrees to keep their word.

The very best of luck in your interview. Contrary to what you read here, this is a good place to be. We will get a new contract and perhaps even get a merger. With that said, the best place to be is "on property".

CB

 

[charlie2]

???? Never heard that one. I know these west representatives that you speak. None of them would be stupid enough to negotiate away from an agreed upon process & the resulting final & binding arbitration. The East has proven time and time again that their word is worth spit.

Just another USAPA lie. You've heard of the Kubler-Ross stages of grief? It is a path to the completion of grief. Unfortunately, USAPian's just keep going in circles: DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION - DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION.....

Acceptance is never reached in this version of the KR model.

The West is ONLY to blame for defending our position. That and trusting that the east can keep their word.

Wow Dave that is a step in the right direction! You are finally agreeing that the nic was devastating to the east and we have grief and the KR model. Thanks for understanding. If you agree that it was devastating to us then you must also agree that the west got a huge windfall as well (your 2 month guy in training being the captain of our 16.4 year guys).

 

[charlie2]

David;
We "flipped a coin" when both bodies agreed to the merger process in 2005-2007. We will get past this eventually. It will happen when the company has had enough and makes a decision, when the courts rule specifically what must be done, or when one party finally agrees to keep their word.

The very best of luck in your interview. Contrary to what you read here, this is a good place to be. We will get a new contract and perhaps even get a merger. With that said, the best place to be is "on property".

CB

I agree 100% with you Dave about it being a good place. I enjoy my trips and for the most part enjoy everyone I work with. Yes even with a GOP House of Reps the NMB is going to have to finally work with us.