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OK, so let me get this straight from recent posting from yip and others on USA Jet:

- Layoffs and paycuts on a whim
- no crewmeals
- no airlining home on days off
- no loading pay
- average flying 300 hrs a year (!)
- mx being outsourced to the cheapest bidder
- senior pilots getting axed over some bogus claims
- senior management spending hours on end on flightinfo promoting not getting a college education and hoping for some hiring boom in the future

Why should I consider applying at JUS again? I'd rather fly at Ameristar or Cherry or Kalitta, at least they are upfront that they just use you as their bitch. But at least you get more flying and can move on quicker.

Man, that little credibility you had is just out the window.
 
The facts

Everett what are we going to do about you, again somewhat misinformed
Layoffs and pay cuts on a whim –
Yea kinda, but not a whimsical as you would infer. When there is no business and you will go out of business without cutting costs these things happen at all companies. If you don't do this, the ultimate pay cut comes. The company goes out of business i.e. ExpressNet, Zantop, and Reliant. Everyone in the on-demand cargo business is suffering.
 
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Just the facts part 2

No crew meals: Not true, crews still get meals anytime that both crewmembers will not be released to go get a meal on their own. Gone is 2 crewmembers going to the Outback on the company credit card
- no airlining home on days off: Not true, if a crewmember 5 or more days in a row off, they will be brought home to YIP. Gone is coming home for the two days of vacation in the middle of a line. Note: This was the original intention of the days off policy, but in a attempt to accommodate everyone the schedule started having too many blocks of days off in the bid period.
- No loading pay- Not true, there will still be loading pay, but many times loading was paid to the ground handler and the flight crew at the same time, there was abuse in the loading pay with a large % going to just a few pilots. They were working the system.
- Average flying 300 hrs a year (!) See the post above, we staffed to fly as we did last year, there is not much business. Based upon flying in the DA-20 for the last two months, the DA-20 pilots are on track for a 500-hour year.
- Mx being outsourced to the cheapest bidder - Not exactly true, with only a few DA-20 "C" checks per year, the DA-20 "C" check are being done by a contractor. Line maintenance is still in house and very good.
- Senior pilots getting axed over some bogus claims – No Comment
 
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The Facts part 3

Senior management spending hours on end on flightinfo promoting not getting a college education and hoping for some hiring boom in the future - Are you referring to me as senior management? If so please put me in for my pay raise. No one reports to me, I am as stated before a score keeper and a clerk. I rarely meet with senior management, unless I am assigned a project or other tasks. I teach ground schools, recruit, give check rides, and work everyday to make USA Jet a better place to work. It must be working because when I came to USA Jet 1997, the turnover was 50% per year. For the last few years it has been in the 10% range. Senior pilots stay at USA Jet

why should I consider applying at JUS again? I'd rather fly at Ameristar or Cherry or Kalitta, at least they are up front that they just use you as their bitch. But at least you get more flying and can move on quicker. If you feel this would not be a good place to work they you owe it yourself and USA Jet to make sure that that you never apply or accept a job at USA Jet. Best of luck in your future pursuits.

Man, that little credibility you had is just out the window. It is not about credibility; it is about the facts
 
Yes or No question, Randy: were you the manager that fired these pilots? If so, then you are not "just a clerk."
 
Mark me up as just a clerk, I was not there.
 
I'm happy those 8 crooks are gone. They got what was coming to them. Poor, poor over payed pilots. See ya!!
 
YIP, exactly what is the score?
 
Oh really, pilots are getting their days off? Oh, only as long as you have 5 days or more off in a row??? How unbelievably generous!!! How many lines are there with 5 in a row? Days off are days off, maybe you should spend less time on-line and help the company plan accordingly so that guys can get the time they have coming to them.

And no one was fired for buying crew meals with the company card? Maybe you should call some of the guys who were in Fred's office on Black Wednesday and find out what reasons they were given for being let go. Maybe it's only your son who is allowed to buy crew meals.
 
All lines are now built with blocks of 5 or more days, DA-20's majority either 2-5 day blocks every or 1-10 day block every 28 days, DC-9's 2-6 day or 1 -12 day block. Agian tail rotor you are an outsider and live on hear say.
 
I know one of the guys that was let go... He is absolutely a class act. I really hope these guys get their jobs back, especially him.
 
I know most of them and yes there might have been some guys that were, so called class acts, but how classie are you when you do something wrong. Maybe they didn't know or maybe they did, the out come is still the same, jobless. Some of those guys were real scammers and everyone who has ever worked with them know of at least two of whom I speak. Example, buying crew meals to take home to the kids. Good luck to the 8 who gave up their jobs so that the people who make an honest living can continue to do so.:)
 
What were these guys accused of doing? When I was there years ago, I couldn't think of any thing that we could do to rip off the Man. Were any of the old check airmen among those getting canned? There were some good guys there on the 9 when I was there.
 
You might want to ask Tail Rotorhead about it he seems to know it all and he says he doesn't work there. He's very informed from what he says.:laugh:
 
Abuse

These guys abused a lot of things. Credit card points wasn't the issue. Abusing the credit card to get points was the issue. These guys need to sack up and admit that they did something wrong instead of making excuses for why they got fired. It was nobody's fault but their own. They can make all of the excuses they want. Having large families, being the only spouse in the family employed, etc. should be a reason not to steal--NOT a reason to get to keep your job when you do steal. I don't feel bad.

We should all be glad that USA did the right thing and got rid of the guys that were stealing instead of the pilots just trying to make an honest living. I hope that they are crying at home about how it wasn't fair. Seeing as they were making so much money and were so dedicated why did they feel the need to steal??? Where I come from, you work for what you have....you don't steal it...NO MATTER HOW DEDICATED YOU ARE. These guys weren't losing sleep at night when they were stealing (i.e. abusing credit card points, crew meals, loading pay and hotels) so why should management lose sleep for getting rid of the crooks???

The board is quiet because a majority of the pilots at USA Jet feel the same way. They are greatful that the people that deserved to be let go first were. "Outsiders" go ahead and speculate based on what you have heard from those that were fired and then try to get the rest of the story from those that were involved in it. Many were friends of the pilots and management and well liked, however, that doesn't give them a free pass.
 
DieselDriver said:
The board is quiet because a majority of the pilots at USA Jet feel the same way. They are greatful that the people that deserved to be let go first were.
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Well, (almost) everybody is afraid to be next. That's really why everyone lays low right now and waits for the dust to settle... Understandable.

Many were friends of the pilots and management and well liked, however, that doesn't give them a free pass.
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Well, at least yips offspring seems to have gotten one? That has not been disputed by YIP or anyone else yet.

The issue is not whether the firings were deserved or not, the issue is why certain ones were spared while others were let go with NO warning.

And YIP, it says it right in your profile, "manager". Maybe you should change it to DA-20 Standards Scorekeeper or Coffee Clerk or something if you insist on not being management. :D

Howdy,
Howie
 
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pilotyip said:
You have no idea what you are talking about, you are not a USSa Jet employeee, you do not know me, you post things that are not true and stand behind nothing. Now if you are a Bellevillel local and want to meet me for a face to face discussion over beer some afternoon at the "Wedge" I am buying. Until that time try sticking to facts.
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a) no, b) yes, thank god c) no d) no, have been verified with current JUS pilots, e) yes, I am but f) no, thanks, I'm not drinking with the likes of you until you clear up this last point:

g) what about the facts regarding your son, was he or was he not involved?

That's the only thing I'd like to know. Thanks. But I don't think you will answer this for reasons I can only suspect....

You are using this board as a recriuting platform, so you would probably agree to discuss core values of the company here as well, no? Like, how much is loyalty worth to JUS?

Until then,
Howie

ps: stop sending me insulting PM's, I won't answer anyways. Oh, and it's not yellow coward anymore, I guess they have new words now. You are so 60's :)
 
Yip????????

I have nothing to do with JUS, All I know is what I've read from these threads, but it does seem strange that Yip methodically shoots down every point made by the others except for the one concerning his son. WTF Yip?
 
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