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If the Falcon pilots got more days off, I'd consider applying. But from what I hear the crews don't even know their schedules until 3 or 4 days before the bid period begins, ouch!
 
Hi!

Sometimes crews don't know until a few days before the bid starts. Normally, it's 2 weeks. There's only one scheduler, so if she's on vacation, or something like that, it sometimes comes down to the wire.

We've been trying to get 13 days off/month on the Falcon, like the -9 guys have. So far, no luck.

cliff
GRB
 
Crews normally have thier schedules 10 days in advance of the start of the bid period, sometimes it is later due to crewmembers not turning in thier bid sheets on time and trying to get a line over the phone or the crew scheduler is on days off or sick. We don't have many complains about the schedule. If it not good enought for you , don't apply it is very simple.
 
Lately the schedule has been coming out about 4 days prior to the first day of the bid, much worse than it used to be. I also would consider staying at USAJ longer if we had the same amount of days off as the 9 guys. There is really no plauseable justification for treating the falcon guys like ugly step children. They took away all the weekend lines last year which was the last straw for some us. Were just sick of being treated like second class citizens for doing the same (sometimes harder) job than the DC-9.

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all
 
asipilot said:
Lately the schedule has been coming out about 4 days prior to the first day of the bid, much worse than it used to be. I also would consider staying at USAJ longer if we had the same amount of days off as the 9 guys. There is really no plauseable justification for treating the falcon guys like ugly step children. They took away all the weekend lines last year which was the last straw for some us. Were just sick of being treated like second class citizens for doing the same (sometimes harder) job than the DC-9.

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all
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samething is going on across the field. the falcon guys make all the money for the company and get treated like a wet foodstamp. meanwhile back at the ranch we got dc-9 guys flying once a month just collecting a pay check with 20 days off. i am so happy this pilot shortage is in full effect. finally the owners will actually have to make changes if they want to stay in biz.
 
asipilot said:
Lately the schedule has been coming out about 4 days prior to the first day of the bid, much worse than it used to be. I also would consider staying at USAJ longer if we had the same amount of days off as the 9 guys. There is really no plauseable justification for treating the falcon guys like ugly step children. They took away all the weekend lines last year which was the last straw for some us. Were just sick of being treated like second class citizens for doing the same (sometimes harder) job than the DC-9.

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all
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This too is what I'm hearing from former USA pilots, but your coolaid drinking standards manager seems to have his head in the sand, and seems to think USA is the final career stop of many a highly skilled, high caliber pilot. NOT!
 
Again no idea, talk about head in the sand

Again VT thanks for the plug, you have no idea of who we are, we take a guy like ASI, Buckeye, etc, who has never flown a TJ, he stays with us 4-5 years, get his 1000 TJ PIC, gets his FAA Check airman letter and gets interviews at career places, Spirit, NJ, JetBlue, AirTran, DAL, FedEx, etc. And if things don't work out like you want, i.e. you don't get hired. You still an income you can live on while looking. The DA-20 is a training airplane at USA Jet; the career airplane is the DC-9, which is why the pay is higher. You have to pay your dues someplace; there are many ways to pay your dues USA Jet is only one of them. Many have benefited from their stay at USA Jet. BTW ASI, before you came we cranked out new DA-20 Capts' in three months after they were hired, Goose, Hunt, Porter, etc. We can do it again we have a lot of high time new hires who are potential Captain material by mid summer.
 
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I don't doubt we CAN turn out Captains that fast, the question however is whether or not we will be able to keep the good FO's we want to upgrade and the training captains to properly upgrade them. Flying with the guys we have just hired, they seem to be looking for other opportunities already, or so they say at least???
 
It sounds like it's really not as bad as I had heard. If you've got guys in the training department staying on and not going for greener pastures, and are attracting highly skilled pilots, there must be something there. There's a lot to be said for holding on to an experienced pilot group. It's when the quality guys start leaving, unannounced, that people need to re-evauate the situation. I'll get my resume together.
 
"wedge"

The "Wedge" is really the Lakeview Tavern, right on main St., across the bridge on the left side coming into town from the north. New hire party on Wednesday 5-30-07 1800L BTW ASI we have been through this before, we have fairly solid cadre of IP's that are not going anywhere, we have a strong training program, with explicit completion standards, and the ability to get pilots on line. I expect we will pull it off again. Yes lots are "lookin" but not everyone is getting hired at the right places. So only time will tell.
 
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asipilot said:
That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all
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You've been talking about leaving for what like three years now? Was going to Netjets too much of a paycut? The thing about JUS is that most people are still ok with the circumstances (Others won't be hired elsewhere, so they don't count); where else do you get payed a 55 hour guarantee for almost no flying at all?

It's a great starting Job, very good training, good experience no doubt, but don't get stuck with golden handcuffs and then complain about it... ;)
 
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Hi!

It IS harder to leave when you're making $18K-$25K/month.

One Falcon FO made $7K last Jun.

cliff
YIP
 
Sunnfun said:
You've been talking about leaving for what like three years now? Was going to Netjets too much of a paycut? The thing about JUS is that most people are still ok with the circumstances (Others won't be hired elsewhere, so they don't count); where else do you get payed a 55 hour guarantee for almost no flying at all?

It's a great starting Job, very good training, good experience no doubt, but don't get stuck with golden handcuffs and then complain about it... ;)
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Unfortunately I did not get hired at NetJets sunfun. I still may try to go re-do the sim but not right now. I found out that that my wife may be losing her job as a teacher this upcoming fall. If this happened we would be in big trouble at NJA even if I could find out how to make 45-50k first year. That would be about a 60% paycut between both jobs!!

BTW, I also have 7 other Apps floating around right now, all except 3 of them would be a pay cut for the first 2-3 years !! I planned on being at USAJ for 3-5 years, in a 10 more months it will be 5 years.

The funny/sick thing is that I really enjoy the actual flying I do at USAJ, it's all the other BS that beats you down !!!!
 
asipilot said:
Unfortunately I did not get hired at NetJets sunfun. I still may try to go re-do the sim but not right now. I found out that that my wife may be losing her job as a teacher this upcoming fall. If this happened we would be in big trouble at NJA even if I could find out how to make 45-50k first year. That would be about a 60% paycut between both jobs!!
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Sorry to hear about your wifes Job situation. I hope it turns out well for her.

The funny/sick thing is that I really enjoy the actual flying I do at USAJ, it's all the other BS that beats you down !!!!
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Same here, I really enjoyed the flying at JUS, got me ready for my current job. But my last four months I averaged 24 hrs a month and soon after that they laid the first bunch off, no F/O was making $7K... Is the biz a bit more steady now?

Good luck on your job hunt!
 
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It IS harder to leave when you're making $18K-$25K/month.
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How many months out of the year does this happen? What percentage of the seniority list can even get to this number? ;)
 
a pilot who flew a lot and sold days to pick up trips and was credited for 148 flt hours at $115/hr
 
some people do,
 
USA JET, Ameristar, IFL, Cherry Air,...I didn't mention them all!!! But these are the places that are going to make you extremely sharp and have excellent pilots...guys that you can spend a month on the road with (because you probably will at some point)!!!! You are always flying down to mins....in airports you have never heard of...with the exception of IFL it will be with steam gauges....so Cruxxx@9 .... lets let the kids know the truth....
The training department at USA Jet is second to none...especially in the charter industry. It is better than a some scheduled airlines actually, I know from first hand experience. I trained helicopter pilots to fly the falcon. If you come to training with a hard working attitude and you can fly IFR.....you'll be fine. But if you are expecting to be spoon fed and are still sucking a t*t then you'll fail. It's up to you
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The point is YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO FLY IFR!!!!!
Most of the Capt's are single pilot anyway....originally for sure.....if you are coming to a jet 135 charter....you better bring your game....we aren't going to teach you only make you stronger...if you are weak it WILL KILL YOU!!!

If you are looking for help and growing education and think you aren't strong in Instrument skills...then go to the regionals because you will get the experience there....in 135 YOU ARE DUMPED....NOT LED INTO THE FURNACE!!!!!!

Just to help guys that can afford to make the choice!

Best Regards,

TEX
 
TxPilot0878 said:
USA JET, Ameristar, IFL, Cherry Air,...I didn't mention them all!!! But these are the places that are going to make you extremely sharp and have excellent pilots...guys that you can spend a month on the road with (because you probably will at some point)!!!! You are always flying down to mins....in airports you have never heard of...with the exception of IFL it will be with steam gauges....so Cruxxx@9 .... lets let the kids know the truth....

The point is YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO FLY IFR!!!!!
Most of the Capt's are single pilot anyway....originally for sure.....if you are coming to a jet 135 charter....you better bring your game....we aren't going to teach you only make you stronger...if you are weak it WILL KILL YOU!!!

If you are looking for help and growing education and think you aren't strong in Instrument skills...then go to the regionals because you will get the experience there....in 135 YOU ARE DUMPED....NOT LED INTO THE FURNACE!!!!!!

Just to help guys that can afford to make the choice!

Best Regards,

TEX
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i hear that! bring your A game or stay home.
 
youre going to handfly everything to mins at ifl also on steam gauges, the falcons have efis and fms, slightly easier to fly but the convairs are all steam gagues, the streteches have an eadi and ehsi but its still your six pack that your flying.
 
youre going to handfly everything to mins at ifl also on steam gauges, the falcons have efis and fms, slightly easier to fly but the convairs are all steam gagues, the streteches have an eadi and ehsi but its still your six pack that your flying.
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Thanks for the clarification...definitely not discrediting you guys...everyone I have met at IFL are top notch...yall take care and say "Hi" on the road!

Tex
 
Hi!

1 guy I know, in the last 12 months, has had 4 months of the highest pay he's ever had-thought he was doing great last summer, then had a better month, then another, then this Feb was his 4th high month in the last 12.

Last Sep, the top guy made $26K. There were, I think, 8 or so guys who were over $20K. I think 3 were $24K or over. The guys in ABQ have a higher base than YIP, but they don't go over guarantee.

To make a lot you have to sell days back and fly close to 100 hours. If you live in/near DTW, it's a lot easier to sell your days. I rarely do-usually bank them if they need me to fly into my days off and I can do it.

Some of the jobs I was considering applying at, my CEO looked at the pay scales for the 1st 3 years and said "No way!" It is cyclical, but the bottom, ever, for on-demand freight was somewhere in the 2006/2007 timeframe. It's been pretty steadily good since last summer.

cliff
GRB
 

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