US House passes bill restricting action against Boeing's 787 Charleston line

[ASH]

Don't EVER forget that YOU ARE PART OF A UNION!

Correction: FORCED into a Union. Could I please opt out? Hey, if the Union is just there to protect us,the worker, no one would leave it right...........

 

[UALRATT]

SWA already have bases in numerous right to work states, it's not an issue.

The issue here is Boeing tried to spread the wealth of the 787 just like it always does when it attempts to win the most sales by diversifying not only it's supply chain, but its manufacturing base.

Unions have NO SAY in where a company can or can't open up a shop. No jobs were lost by Boeing deciding to open in SC, the only casualty is bruising the fragile ego's of those who didn't get them in Everett.

Standard "strong arm attempt to sway politics" by old school union gangsters, egged on by Mr O himself.

So BO wants to rebalance the wealth and that's socialist but Boeing wants "to spread [it]" and that's...? Republican hypocrisy at your finest? Never mind because next up is a House bill to make the Scope section of your contract illegal, because it impedes your company's ability to effectively compete in the ever tightening competitive market. Ask Yip! He knows...

 

[spitfire1500]

Its already happening. The fuselage of the 787 is manufactured in China and the wings are made in Italy (I may have the components/sites mixed up). Evergreen had some modified 747-400s that would transport the components to Charleston for final assembly. Atlas is now doing the flying. Outsourcing has been a nightmare for Boeing on the 787.

.....the fuselage is made in Italy along with the tail feathers by Alenia. The tails are about to me moved to Salt Lake City. The wings are made in Nagoya Japan by Mitsubishi. The passenger doors are made in France, Cargo doors, accessdoors and crew escape hatch in Sweden by Saab, floor beams are being brought to you by TaTa motors over in India, the landing gear is French and Korean Air of all companies is making a bunch of fairings and longerons.
China makes nothing. The outsourcing issues have been the Japanese Wing boxes, where the issues are due to Boeing design and would have happened if they were made by anyone following Boeings instructions( Boeing engineers in SEA and Moscow) and there have been issues with the tail empannage in Italy which is being moved now to Utah. Assembly will be both in Seattle and Charleston.
One of the reasons for the SC expansion may be less union leverage in SC...but in the big picture SC is cheaper for Boeing as a place to do business...things cost less in SC than Washington. Also Boeing looked for some tax breaks in Washington and the governor there told them to stick it, so the gov of SC picked up the ball and ran with it (when he wasn't hanging out in Argentina).. giving Boeing incentives to come and employ South Carolinians. In a nutshell there was more than just union politics involved.
Cost to operate and do business is also why European car makers are now making VW's Porsche, BMW and Mercedes brands in SC, Tenn and Bama.
Hell it's why I moved to South Carolina....my pay goes a lot farther here than it would in Seattle, Washington.
Having said all that..I do hope the Senate shoots the bill down...which they will.

 

[pilotgolfer]

.....the fuselage is made in Italy along with the tail feathers by Alenia. The tails are about to me moved to Salt Lake City. The wings are made in Nagoya Japan by Mitsubishi. The passenger doors are made in France, Cargo doors, accessdoors and crew escape hatch in Sweden by Saab, floor beams are being brought to you by TaTa motors over in India, the landing gear is French and Korean Air of all companies is making a bunch of fairings and longerons.
China makes nothing. The outsourcing issues have been the Japanese Wing boxes, where the issues are due to Boeing design and would have happened if they were made by anyone following Boeings instructions( Boeing engineers in SEA and Moscow) and there have been issues with the tail empannage in Italy which is being moved now to Utah. Assembly will be both in Seattle and Charleston.
One of the reasons for the SC expansion may be less union leverage in SC...but in the big picture SC is cheaper for Boeing as a place to do business...things cost less in SC than Washington. Also Boeing looked for some tax breaks in Washington and the governor there told them to stick it, so the gov of SC picked up the ball and ran with it (when he wasn't hanging out in Argentina).. giving Boeing incentives to come and employ South Carolinians. In a nutshell there was more than just union politics involved.
Cost to operate and do business is also why European car makers are now making VW's Porsche, BMW and Mercedes brands in SC, Tenn and Bama.
Hell it's why I moved to South Carolina....my pay goes a lot farther here than it would in Seattle, Washington.
Having said all that..I do hope the Senate shoots the bill down...which they will.

Thanks for setting me straight...I forgot it was Nagoya and not China. I've erased that year of my life out of my long term memory!

 

[labbats]

.....the fuselage is made in Italy along with the tail feathers by Alenia. The tails are about to me moved to Salt Lake City. The wings are made in Nagoya Japan by Mitsubishi. The passenger doors are made in France, Cargo doors, accessdoors and crew escape hatch in Sweden by Saab, floor beams are being brought to you by TaTa motors over in India, the landing gear is French and Korean Air of all companies is making a bunch of fairings and longerons.
China makes nothing. The outsourcing issues have been the Japanese Wing boxes, where the issues are due to Boeing design and would have happened if they were made by anyone following Boeings instructions( Boeing engineers in SEA and Moscow) and there have been issues with the tail empannage in Italy which is being moved now to Utah. Assembly will be both in Seattle and Charleston.
One of the reasons for the SC expansion may be less union leverage in SC...but in the big picture SC is cheaper for Boeing as a place to do business...things cost less in SC than Washington. Also Boeing looked for some tax breaks in Washington and the governor there told them to stick it, so the gov of SC picked up the ball and ran with it (when he wasn't hanging out in Argentina).. giving Boeing incentives to come and employ South Carolinians. In a nutshell there was more than just union politics involved.
Cost to operate and do business is also why European car makers are now making VW's Porsche, BMW and Mercedes brands in SC, Tenn and Bama.
Hell it's why I moved to South Carolina....my pay goes a lot farther here than it would in Seattle, Washington.
Having said all that..I do hope the Senate shoots the bill down...which they will.

I hereby deny this quote flightinfo status due to it's overreaching common sense and factual data. Now back to your regular scheduled program....

 

[PCL_128]

Boeing trying to open a plant in SC?

Next stop, just open it in China, problem solved for the NLRB.

No, problem not solved (not that I think it is a problem in the first place). The law still applies. The NLRB has a responsibility under the law to ensure that companies and union don't engage in illegal self-help. For a union under the NLRA, that means no strikes, slow-downs, or other economic self-help before the reaching of impasse on mandatory subjects of bargaining. For the company, that means no unilateral changing of working conditions, and no retaliation for legal job actions. Boeing has made public statements that clearly indicate that their decision to move their plant to SC was simply because they were angry about the last strike in Washington. That is blatantly illegal, as it should be, and the NLRB is correct to act. It wouldn't matter whether Boeing was attempting to move the plant to SC, to China, or to Mars for that matter. The law still applies to Boeing as an American company. What the Republicans are attempting to do is direct interference with a law that has been on the books for nearly a century.

 

[pilotyip]

Boeing as an American company.

well for right now anyway

 

[scoreboardII]

Don't EVER forget that YOU ARE PART OF A UNION!

Like someone else said, forced into a union for the job. Sure, I knew, and no I won't try to get rid of the union. But when a union tells it's employer where and when to make a product, welcome to Russia, or China.

This is nothing like scope. The unions had no clause limiting construction of other facilities or sourcing construction in other states.

 

[flyguy75000]

Like someone else said, forced into a union for the job. Sure, I knew, and no I won't try to get rid of the union. But when a union tells it's employer where and when to make a product, welcome to Russia, or China.

This is nothing like scope. The unions had no clause limiting construction of other facilities or sourcing construction in other states.

Exactly.....and no one failed to mention the fact that this airplane is 3 yrs behind. God forbid they do something that will help them reduce the delayed deliveries and try to get customers their ordered aircraft sooner.

One thing the NLRB cannot do is keep a company from leaving the country for good. This took nothing away from workers in Everett as their union reps will lead you to believe. Don't forget about the Tanker deal and the re-engined 737. There's gonna be a schittt ton of work to do for everyone.

The underlying thing causing this is the lack of pocket lining for union reps from 2500 people in CHS.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Boeing should really raise the stakes and open a 747-800 line in Mexico or China and tell the NLRB and the IAM to go pound sand.