US House passes bill restricting action against Boeing's 787 Charleston line

[redflyer65]

No, problem not solved (not that I think it is a problem in the first place). The law still applies. The NLRB has a responsibility under the law to ensure that companies and union don't engage in illegal self-help. For a union under the NLRA, that means no strikes, slow-downs, or other economic self-help before the reaching of impasse on mandatory subjects of bargaining. For the company, that means no unilateral changing of working conditions, and no retaliation for legal job actions. Boeing has made public statements that clearly indicate that their decision to move their plant to SC was simply because they were angry about the last strike in Washington. That is blatantly illegal, as it should be, and the NLRB is correct to act. It wouldn't matter whether Boeing was attempting to move the plant to SC, to China, or to Mars for that matter. The law still applies to Boeing as an American company. What the Republicans are attempting to do is direct interference with a law that has been on the books for nearly a century.

PCL,

This whole thing is a political stunt by the Obama administration. The NLRB righ now is completely slanted toward the unions. This hasn't always been the case, but it is now.

What better way to lose American jobs than by clamping down on Boeing? I don't mean this to sound anti-union, but this is a witch hunt against Boeing.

Just as Raoul states above..Boeing could easily start a plant in Mexico or wherever. But the larger elephant in the room is this...do you seriously think other large American companies are looking at this and saying WTF?

This goes waaaay beyond Boeing. Be prepared for large American companies to just go overseas. I mean why deal with this?

Question....At what point is this NOT the union trying to tell Boeing how to operate their business? Shouldn't Boeing be able to run there business as they see fit? Optimally working together with the union.

RF

 

[pilotyip]

Any one remember Lee Iacoca at Chrysler in 1979, He said "If I can not make money building cars in this country, I will build them someplace else, and just sell them here"

 

[Flyprdu]

Any one remember Lee Iacoca at Chrysler in 1979, He said "If I can not make money building cars in this country, I will build them someplace else, and just sell them here"

Another idiotic statement. Can't sell them here if no one is employed. Short-term thinking, free-market circle jerkers at their finest.

 

[UALRATT]

PCL,

This whole thing is a political stunt by the Obama administration. The NLRB righ now is completely slanted toward the unions. This hasn't always been the case, but it is now.

What better way to lose American jobs than by clamping down on Boeing? I don't mean this to sound anti-union, but this is a witch hunt against Boeing.

Just as Raoul states above..Boeing could easily start a plant in Mexico or wherever. But the larger elephant in the room is this...do you seriously think other large American companies are looking at this and saying WTF?

This goes waaaay beyond Boeing. Be prepared for large American companies to just go overseas. I mean why deal with this?

Question....At what point is this NOT the union trying to tell Boeing how to operate their business? Shouldn't Boeing be able to run there business as they see fit? Optimally working together with the union.

RF

That's just your opinion boss but an over aggressive CEO put his company in that situation after implicating (key word) himself making remarks about an issue which amounted to breaking the law. They jail Mexicans then deport them for breaking the law of the land and you think that's good don't you? Immigration law, labor law? Makes no difference. It's a law!!!

Oh!! By the way big companies have been parting company with this country long before the Boeing and Obama. It's called rebalancing your wages downward to match the global marketplace. If they can pay a Chinaman $2.00 per hour to do the same job you're doing for $20.00, you better be prepared to accept $2.00 to keep it here in the USA. GLOBALIZATION!!!

 

[pilotyip]

Another idiotic statement. Can't sell them here if no one is employed. Short-term thinking, free-market circle jerkers at their finest.

how about all the imports that the union pilots buy because they like them

 

[redflyer65]

UALRatt,

Thanks for the counterpoint, and to be honest with you I was hoping for some other viewpoints. I agree that the CEO sure did dig the hole with some of his comments, but it's hard to find any other example of the US Government telling a company how they can run their business, and that is what is going down. Be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Cheers,

RF

 

[densoo]

Can't sell them here if no one is employed. Short-term thinking, free-market circle jerkers at their finest.

The lost employment is a delayed affect. By the time it kicks in, Lee is long gone with his millions. Seems like it's all short term now.

 

[Sacha]

Another idiotic statement. Can't sell them here if no one is employed. Short-term thinking, free-market circle jerkers at their finest.

Say, didn't I see you with anti-free market anarchists on Wall St. today? Camping out in tents and doing Yoga in the park....Priceless

 

[densoo]

. . . but it's hard to find any other example of the US Government telling a company how they can run their business . . .

I would offer another view. The government has done nothing but tell companies how to run their businesses. When they approved NAFTA they were telling companies to move their labor south. When they don't tariff Chinese products while China won't import ours they were telling companies to move their labor to the far east. When they permit a P.O. Box HQ somewhere in Wyoming they're telling them not to pay taxes. When the allowed them to break communications unions they were telling them to use Bombay customer service reps to answer our phone calls.

 

[UALRATT]

UALRatt,

Thanks for the counterpoint, and to be honest with you I was hoping for some other viewpoints. I agree that the CEO sure did dig the hole with some of his comments, but it's hard to find any other example of the US Government telling a company how they can run their business, and that is what is going down. Be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Cheers,

RF

As a matter of fact Red it is quite easy to find examples of the US government telling companies how to run their business. Doesn't it tell companies who it can hire as in the case of employing illegals? Shouldn't it then not have influence on how workers are treated especially understanding the nature of corporations? At least the founding father of the Republican party believed that. Think of another example that might be close to home. Would it be best to have the government COMPLETELY deregulate the airline industry? How safe would it be then? You're bright enough to know.

The problem is your point is laced with political undertones and that $hit is eating away at our country's fundermental existance. If you begin to think for yourself I am sure you will reregister as an independent...

 

[flyguy75000]

As a matter of fact Red it is quite easy to find examples of the US government telling companies how to run their business. Doesn't it tell companies who it can hire as in the case of employing illegals? Shouldn't it then not have influence on how workers are treated especially understanding the nature of corporations? At least the founding father of the Republican party believed that. Think of another example that might be close to home. Would it be best to have the government COMPLETELY deregulate the airline industry? How safe would it be then? You're bright enough to know.

The problem is your point is laced with political undertones and that $hit is eating away at our country's fundermental existance. If you begin to think for yourself I am sure you will reregister as an independent...

You got a f*ckin dart in your neck, you should pull that schhhitttt out. That schhhittt is not cool.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

They are trying to employe workers in SC because they can pay them less than half what they must pay in Washington. This is an obvious attempt to circumvent labor contracts with cheap labor. Be very afraid of any aircraft built in South Carolina, they are built by uneducated, inexperienced, underpaid workers.

 

[shootr]

The purpose for opening an A/C plant in SC his singular. The word is WHIPSAW.

 

[pilotyip]

They are trying to employe workers in SC because they can pay them less than half what they must pay in Washington. This is an obvious attempt to circumvent labor contracts with cheap labor. Be very afraid of any aircraft built in South Carolina, they are built by uneducated, inexperienced, underpaid workers.

shame on cheap labour, we should be like England where the unions run the gov't.

From conpilot

Anyway, yes I lived in England from 1956 until 1962. One way I can tell you just how the Labour Party was running England into the ground, was that World War Two rationing was still in effect. That's right, all rationing in England finally ended in July, 1958. The rationing of food had ended in 1954, however, coal which 90% of homes in the UK were heated by, was still rationed until 1958.

The primary reasons for this was the price controls and production limits put into place by the Labour Government. Due to the artificial price controls, wages were held low due to those price controls. Because of this England could not compete in the open market competing against more open free world markets. Because of union protectionism by the Labor Party coal prices were, by law, kept at unrealistic high levels, much higher than the prices in Europe.

Prior to and during World War Two English steel was one of England's most sought after exports. After the war due to the artificial high price of English coal the British Steel Industry could no longer compete on the open market. To make up for the lack of profit due to declining export of steel, the Labour Party forced all of the English Industries to only use English coal, coal imports from Europe were banned.

Thus the once mighty steel industry of the UK was doomed and the trickle down effect started the destruction of the UK auto industry, aircraft industry and the once mighty maritime industry. In a futile attempt to offset this trend, the Labour Party raised taxes on everything to subsidize the industries, to keep the Labour unions happy.

Make no mistake about this, really until Thatcher and the Tory Party took power, the labor unions controlled Great Britain through the Labour Party. The Labour Party was a combination of socialists and union leaders. As long as the Labour Party gave what the union leaders wanted, the rank and file union members voted straight Labour.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,

This whole thing is a political stunt by the Obama administration. The NLRB righ now is completely slanted toward the unions. This hasn't always been the case, but it is now.

What better way to lose American jobs than by clamping down on Boeing? I don't mean this to sound anti-union, but this is a witch hunt against Boeing.

Just as Raoul states above..Boeing could easily start a plant in Mexico or wherever. But the larger elephant in the room is this...do you seriously think other large American companies are looking at this and saying WTF?

This goes waaaay beyond Boeing. Be prepared for large American companies to just go overseas. I mean why deal with this?

Question....At what point is this NOT the union trying to tell Boeing how to operate their business? Shouldn't Boeing be able to run there business as they see fit? Optimally working together with the union.

RF

Red, you demonstrate that you aren't informed on the issues in this case. I suggest you do a little more reading on the NLRA, the jurisdiction of the NRLB, and statements made by Boeing. After you do, I'm sure you'll figure out that what Boeing has done is blatantly illegal, and the NLRB is only doing its job under the law.