US Airways to hire

[JetMonkey]

30 year olds??? Dude, it's been over 6 years since the buy out..

 

[Capt.Underpants]

I was cleaning out the basement recently and in an old box I found some of my old airline crap. What's cool is I saved two Salary Survey magazines one from Future Airline Pilots of America (FAPA) dated 1989-1990 and one from AIR INC dated one decade later, 19999-2000. WOW you AWA guys really subsidized your airline. It is shocking how small your 757 rates and other benies were. Granted that for the first survey you guys were what 7 or 8 years old? So maybe you could be forgiven for that but at 18 years old you were still dragging the industry down quite a bit. Why? At 18 years old your ALPA reps had the negotiatimg power of Mesa. Enjoy your ALPA negotiated contract that you are still working under.

Your airline started in 1939 and you have the worst wages and work rules in the industry. You lose.

 

[charlie2]

30 year olds??? Dude, it's been over 6 years since the buy out..

OK then 33 year olds...same thing.

 

[charlie2]

Your airline started in 1939 and you have the worst wages and work rules in the industry. You lose.

Ya but we are fighting to not lose even more.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Ya but we are fighting to not lose even more.

What's unfortunate is that you don't even understand what constitutes "winning".


I hope no one is surprised when internet skirmishes evolve into jumpseat wars.

 

[charlie2]

Unfortunately we still have guys on both sides being denied a jumpseat.

 

[waveflyer]

Q-1

A. I'm not a USAir pilot
B. This stupid "challenge" of yours is retarded because you know it can't be proven on this stupid website.
C. I know what Republic Captains make who have been there 6 years and it's embarassing for the amount of work they do and the size airplane they fly.
D. What started this whole topic was my simple observation of FO rates, which you morphed into a Captain top pay scale argument when nobody at Republic is, or ever will be, at that level.

You want to talk FOs- lets talk FOs- As embarrassed as you may be- and as deserving of more republic capts may be- I know too- and I still bet that- as for FOs- comparing a kid out of instructing w/ a major airline FO is dumb- but that the conversation can be had highlights my point- there are practically no raises beyond 1st year- and no work rules to magnify that rate-and no way to fly extra- that $41/hr is equating to $35k/year-72 hr guarantee is it- so I won't compare 1st year rates among the two- but there are 2nd year republic
FOs doing better than 2nd year mainline 190 FOs. And I know the 3rd year FOs are.
Topped out mainline FOs are doing better at $55, but it takes 9 years to get topped out and 6yrs to get close- And they're still grossing less than $50k.

Are you saying no republic FOs are breaking $50k?
You know what's worse than flying your arse off for $55k?
Working inefficient 11 day off schedules for $47k

So argue w/ me to whatever end you want, the USAPA stand is damaging pilot wages and affecting a LOT of east pilots VERY negatively- $60/hr 2nd year 190 FO wages were on the table in 2007- topping out at $78

 

[waka]

How does a merger with with 10% right sizing come into your calculations? Also a possible integration with AA is going to put hundreds of there currently furloughed guys in captains seats if they go with USAPA's request right..oh snap.

Point of Order;

"right sizing" is a corporate euphemism for "down sizing". Don't be a sucker to their word games.

That is all. Carry on.

 

[waka]

If anybody should have learned "not to count their chickens" it's any us air pilot hired after 1987.

Nobody is impressed with your hindsight 20/20 vision.

 

[olympus593]

You want to talk FOs- lets talk FOs- As embarrassed as you may be- and as deserving of more republic capts may be- I know too- and I still bet that- as for FOs- comparing a kid out of instructing w/ a major airline FO is dumb- but that the conversation can be had highlights my point- there are practically no raises beyond 1st year- and no work rules to magnify that rate-and no way to fly extra- that $41/hr is equating to $35k/year-72 hr guarantee is it- so I won't compare 1st year rates among the two- but there are 2nd year republic
FOs doing better than 2nd year mainline 190 FOs. And I know the 3rd year FOs are.
Topped out mainline FOs are doing better at $55, but it takes 9 years to get topped out and 6yrs to get close- And they're still grossing less than $50k.

Are you saying no republic FOs are breaking $50k?
You know what's worse than flying your arse off for $55k?
Working inefficient 11 day off schedules for $47k

So argue w/ me to whatever end you want, the USAPA stand is damaging pilot wages and affecting a LOT of east pilots VERY negatively- $60/hr 2nd year 190 FO wages were on the table in 2007- topping out at $78

Usair E190 F/O start at 41:22H Top out at 55:00H with 5H min day, duty rigs and TAFB rigs, + 10% freebie goes into 401K, Per Diem 2:00H, all DH goes above guarantee, guarantee is 76H btw unless you are senior enough to hold long call. Training pay is 85 or 88 a month depending on the number of days in the month. The most junior pilot is on the A320 in DCA so no pilot will be ( as of now ) forced to be on year 2 on the E190 pay. Pay will go up 2% Jan first ( I know big deal ) Does it suck? hell yeah for a major it does.

Rep E190 F/0 start at 23:00H ( year 2 31H ) Tops out at 37:00. No min day, no duty rigs, no TAFB rigs, no cancellation pay, 6% 401K match. So you are right our work rule and pay rate sucks but still much better than Republic.

 

[kf4amu]

You want to talk FOs- lets talk FOs- As embarrassed as you may be- and as deserving of more republic capts may be- I know too- and I still bet that- as for FOs- comparing a kid out of instructing w/ a major airline FO is dumb- but that the conversation can be had highlights my point- there are practically no raises beyond 1st year- and no work rules to magnify that rate-and no way to fly extra- that $41/hr is equating to $35k/year-72 hr guarantee is it- so I won't compare 1st year rates among the two- but there are 2nd year republic
FOs doing better than 2nd year mainline 190 FOs. And I know the 3rd year FOs are.
Topped out mainline FOs are doing better at $55, but it takes 9 years to get topped out and 6yrs to get close- And they're still grossing less than $50k.

A. I'm not embarrassed personally. I have no dog in this fight, except that its hard to justify higher payrates for my 37 seat turboprop when Republic is flying aircraft 3 times as big for lower rates.
B. Where are you getting all your salary info? Guesses?
C. My initial comment about Republics pay rates that prompted your rant is still correct in spite of everything you've guessed at.

 

[Hpilot]

Hey bud not my fault they follow the army of laryngitis off the cliff. They could have gone DOH with us and had jobs!!!

Spoken like a true criminal. "I told them to hand over their wallets or I'd shoot them, it's their fault." If only they'd willingly let us staple them. Good thing you're enjoying LOA93:laugh:

 

[Hpilot]

You are a despicable POS for the above comment on furloughs?

These scum bags would knife their own grandmother if she had a better seniority number.

 

[Hpilot]

I'm just find with Loa 93! No Nic! Have fun shrinking in the desert heat! How are your furloughs and army of laryngitis? Good times to come!

That's right, you keep telling yourself that big old turd sandwich is really a sirloin burger or something better. Yum Yum :laugh:

 

[Bringupthebird]

One side of the airline has good statistics and makes money. The other side whines about everything,embarrasses the entire airline and had at least two crew bases in the crosshairs in any merger with AMR.

Quick now, which is which?

 

[i fly boxes]

15 year crj 900 captain pinnacle - 99
15 year usair emb - 99
good lord, if i left pinnacle right now, (year 8) i would never make the same pay as an fo, it would take captain on the bus to recover that

 

[$$$4nothin]

15 year crj 900 captain pinnacle - 99
15 year usair emb - 99
good lord, if i left pinnacle right now, (year 8) i would never make the same pay as an fo, it would take captain on the bus to recover that

Hey smart guy. With over half of there pilot group retireing in the next 5 years do you really think you would be a 15 years Emb-190 Capt at USair. The point that keeps guys interviewing there right now is the fact that you will be a Captain on a heavy in 6-7 years. So do yourself a favor and ask yourself where you want to be in 7 years. In 15 years at pinnacle you will be flying a crj900 for $99/hr give or take a few bucks, (New contract etc) maybe. In 7 years at Airways you will be an A-330 capt. makeing $153 an hour, with more small raises comeing in your future. Worst case scenario you are an A-330 FO makeing $101/hr with a long term potential to make a lot more.

So the real question comes down to how old you are and how well you think you can tell the future. If you are 30 I would call you an idiot for not going and taking the chance. If you are 45+ I would say stay put, hope for the best, pay off all your debt, put as much into your retirement as possible and you will probably retire ok.

 

[i fly boxes]

what if i was 32? Lived in base, 2 children and would have to either commute or move, no flame here, just curious. What I am making right now would be a huge loss, then crash pad or moving expenses on top of that, plus my wife would have to work again. This is the eternal struggle i am dealing with. I live in a delta base but i am not sure i want to wait for them because i am not perfect, so they probably wont hire me.

 

[charlie2]

what if i was 32? Lived in base, 2 children and would have to either commute or move, no flame here, just curious. What I am making right now would be a huge loss, then crash pad or moving expenses on top of that, plus my wife would have to work again. This is the eternal struggle i am dealing with. I live in a delta base but i am not sure i want to wait for them because i am not perfect, so they probably wont hire me.

I would take the job and commute and do what I do which is bypass bigger equipment until I can be a block holder. I SAP down to working 4 commutable 3 day trips a month and if SAP fails me I ride the bid sheet (AIL) to improve what I got stuck with. Then I get a trip bought for training every other month to make it even sweeter. Good luck with your decisions.

 

[$$$4nothin]

what if i was 32? Lived in base, 2 children and would have to either commute or move, no flame here, just curious. What I am making right now would be a huge loss, then crash pad or moving expenses on top of that, plus my wife would have to work again. This is the eternal struggle i am dealing with. I live in a delta base but i am not sure i want to wait for them because i am not perfect, so they probably wont hire me.

Easy choice. Apply to and get on as soon as possible. Yes it will suck. Yes your wife will hate working again. Yes your QOL will suck for a minimum of 2 years probably closer to 3 years. You have to have some forsight though. By age 35-36 you will have adjusted and your QOL will be close to what it is now. At age 40 you can either be a crj900 captain makeing $99/hr with no growth potential worried about a Delta contract comeing to an end. Or you can be a A-330 Captain with lots of growth potential makeing $150+ an hour. Be realistic. Is $99/hr as an only income with 3 people depending on you, 2 colleges, 2 cars, a couple weddings(maybe), and a retirement to save for really what you want in life. Give up 2-3 years of your life to make the 30 years after that better than you have now. Yup, easy decision

Hell take a look at the potential AA/USair merger or any other merger that could or could not happen and your life could be a lot better. You can hold out for Delta, but if you get stuck somewhere for 10+ years trying to get to Delta where is a better place to be. Pinnacle makeing $99/hr or usair makeing $83-$156 an hour depending on what QOL you want. Easy decision in my book, and to prove I am not just talking out of my A$$ I personally just made a very similiar choice. 8 year RAH 170/190 Capt. liveing in base or JB 1st year 190 FO commuteing to JFK. Just gotta have some forsight.

I also have a friend in the pool at USAIR that is in exact same position. He is leaveing a check airmen spot at RAH and will leave for USair as soon as they call him for a class date. I gave him the exact same advice as I just gave you. Good Luck

I would also buy off the internet, read, and live the phylosophy taught in "The Total Money Makeover" by Dave Ramsey