US Airways to hire

[weasel_lips]

Dreaming.......Wait until the AA merger is over before you make any prediction. I hope you are correct but the past twenty years say no.....

Mandatory retirements say yes.

All that 80's crap you guys are hooked on was based on expansion and bad business plans. That is not the case this time.

USAIR is at it's min fleet size, no shrinkage. There are going to be 100's of retirements a year till this place is basically all new people.

5 year upgrades will happen.

 

[reepicheep]

Listen, I hope it works out for everyone. This airline has ruined or stalled a lot of careers over the years. Maybe it really is a new era at Airways. Buyer beware.

 

[Capt.Underpants]

A newhire coming on next year is not going to have to worry about the E190 FO pay for long. With the massive retirements coming up they will be holding captain on anything in 5 years or less. E190 Captain in less then 2 years.

It is going to be one of the fastest upgrades in history at a major airline.

And for BK wages! Yeah! Might as well go to Allegiant. USAir sucks.

 

[Hpilot]

I'll see your '89 and raise you to '04

"Every one of you will upgrade in a MAXIMUM of 5 years due to growth based on aircraft orders alone"

AWA Newhire class, 2004

Yep, nobody new the east pilots were going to come in and steal everyones seniority. They deserve the industry's lowest pay till' the last day

 

[Hpilot]

And for BK wages! Yeah! Might as well go to Allegiant. USAir sucks.

We don't suck that bad, but yes, we do suck. At least the east anyway.

 

[Hpilot]

Mandatory retirements say yes.

All that 80's crap you guys are hooked on was based on expansion and bad business plans. That is not the case this time.

USAIR is at it's min fleet size, no shrinkage. There are going to be 100's of retirements a year till this place is basically all new people.

5 year upgrades will happen.

That's right everybody we stole it from the west
We may be stagnant, but you guys have the worst contract everrrrrrr. Enjoy

 

[cbrown1]

Will the app window reset? I applied back in April and didn't get a call, I would like to try again.
The last round, what was the average flt time for the guys hired?

Can I pm someone for some information? Thanks

 

[Snaab]

Ok, have to ask this question: When are the newhire payrates for the 190 going to go up from the current slave wages? I've given thought applying to Airways, but to even make what I'm making at my regional job would take EONS at the current rates- EONS. (And I fly a turboprop.) The 190 payrates aren't even reasonable.

 

[Hpilot]

Ok, have to ask this question: When are the newhire payrates for the 190 going to go up from the current slave wages? I've given thought applying to Airways, but to even make what I'm making at my regional job would take EONS at the current rates- EONS. (And I fly a turboprop.) The 190 payrates aren't even reasonable.

Sorry to say it could be a long time. Those pay rates were there to get the 190s onto mainline's ticket and keep them away from the regionals. If the east hadn't ignored arbitration and voted in UCRAPA then we'd have had a new contract years ago and those rates wouldn't even exist.

 

[weasel_lips]

Ok, have to ask this question: When are the newhire payrates for the 190 going to go up from the current slave wages? I've given thought applying to Airways, but to even make what I'm making at my regional job would take EONS at the current rates- EONS. (And I fly a turboprop.) The 190 payrates aren't even reasonable.

Most likely you will not even be on the E190 more then a year. First year pay is actually higher on the E190 anyway. Otherwise, it is a flat $3,000 a month salary on the other types.

The payrates are going to be around a while. It will be seperate operations for at least 5 more years, but you will be logging A320 PIC by then anyway. At that point you can then go do contract flying in China.

 

[charlie2]

To put the coming retirements, my 5 plus years on furlough and the age 65 stagnation discussion a differant way, I was hired over 12 years ago and the new hires we'll get next year will be only a few hundred numbers junior to me meaning you'll transition and/or upgrade like someone with twelve years longevity. There will be next year new hires that will upgrade before me. My choice of course I like a better schedule than more pay.

 

[becket]

To put the coming retirements, my 5 plus years on furlough and the age 65 stagnation discussion a differant way, I was hired over 12 years ago and the new hires we'll get next year will be only a few hundred numbers junior to me meaning you'll transition and/or upgrade like someone with twelve years longevity. There will be next year new hires that will upgrade before me. My choice of course I like a better schedule than more pay.

If anybody should have learned "not to count their chickens" it's any us air pilot hired after 1987.

 

[charlie2]

If anybody should have learned "not to count their chickens" it's any us air pilot hired after 1987.

Very true...but absent another force majour event they will have to replace every retiring pilot.

 

[Lampshade]

Retirements - East (active), West (active), Total, Active (age 65 only)
2013 - 158 (109), 48 (33), 206, 142
2014 - 206 (155), 43 (38), 249, 193
2015 - 183 (142), 54 (41), 237, 183
2016 - 223 (171), 48 (41), 271, 212
2017 - 237 (181), 64 (47), 301, 228
2018 - 254 (204), 52 (47), 306, 251
2019 - 256 (201), 76 (65), 332, 266
2020 - 240 (195), 67 (56), 307, 251
2021 - 246 (175), 67 (57), 313, 232
2022 - 201 (161), 66 (55), 267, 216
Totals - 2204 (1694), 585 (480), 2789, 2174

If you look at the chart above you can see that Weasel Lips is full of it.

To get up to around 50 percentile on the east would require you to move up 1400 positions for a new hire on the east, thats around year 2020.

 

[Hpilot]

If anybody should have learned "not to count their chickens" it's any us air pilot hired after 1987.

Comon mannn. Why count your chickens when you can steeeaaaalll them

 

[get2flyin]

Retirements - East (active), West (active), Total, Active (age 65 only)
2013 - 158 (109), 48 (33), 206, 142
2014 - 206 (155), 43 (38), 249, 193
2015 - 183 (142), 54 (41), 237, 183
2016 - 223 (171), 48 (41), 271, 212
2017 - 237 (181), 64 (47), 301, 228
2018 - 254 (204), 52 (47), 306, 251
2019 - 256 (201), 76 (65), 332, 266
2020 - 240 (195), 67 (56), 307, 251
2021 - 246 (175), 67 (57), 313, 232
2022 - 201 (161), 66 (55), 267, 216
Totals - 2204 (1694), 585 (480), 2789, 2174

If you look at the chart above you can see that Weasel Lips is full of it.

To get up to around 50 percentile on the east would require you to move up 1400 positions for a new hire on the east, thats around year 2020.

Lamp, Knock it off with the "facts". You know damn well we prefer baseless flame-bait. We don't have time for your ACTUAL data. I'm not going to ask you again.

 

[MCDU]

Half way up the list in 8 years only including mandatory retirements is as good as it gets. East will remain separate. If you get hired at 27, you will be half way up the list by 35.
Enjoy the dry heat

M

 

[becket]

Half way up the list in 8 years only including mandatory retirements is as good as it gets. East will remain separate. If you get hired at 27, you will be half way up the list by 35.
Enjoy the dry heat

M

Sorry mcdoodie, most of the Easties are at their breaking point with loa93. The CLT crew news desperation is borderline embarrassing. When a fed. Judge tells the company they're liable to the west, the first contract proposal will pass and this whole wasted effort will be over.

 

[Snaab]

Thank you for the candid responses with respect to wages and upward movement in the coming years.

 

[charlie2]

Sorry mcdoodie, most of the Easties are at their breaking point with loa93. The CLT crew news desperation is borderline embarrassing. When a fed. Judge tells the company they're liable to the west, the first contract proposal will pass and this whole wasted effort will be over.

Sure wish there was a way we could wager on this on FI.com! The company wants the judge to tell them the west can or can not sue them if they accept anything other than the nic if I understand it right and I bet the judge will basically decide he can't make that call. The company is liable to USAPA and USAPA is liable to the west pilots so your only recourse is DFR II against USAPA and only USAPA. But I've been wrong before.