US Airways to hire

[charlie2]

Wake dismissed the company the first time because they hadn't agreed to the DOH scheme dreamt up by USAPA. If the company agrees to it then they will most definitely be included in DFRII.

So you're saying he did understand the concept of ripeness?

 

[Citjok]

Your retirement numbers don't include anyone on leave?

Many senior FO's could hold captain and don't bid it. Many prefer to hold a line, or they are IRO's and like flying to Europe.

Therefore if you are willing to be on reserve, group II captain does reach down to 67% on the last bid award of active pilots. There are many FO's senior to that person that are still FO's... (see above)

You think it is going to take 8 years to upgrade for a 2012 hire vs. my 5. OK, I will split it with you... 6.5 years.

"If you are willing to be on reserve". That the key issue. Basically it goes two ways: Live in base and be on reserve=not bad, but commute to reserve with our present working conditons= it reallyyyyy sucks!!!!.

Me personally since I commute to work I'll just stay F/O for the QAL for the time being. To me is not worth being left seat and hating my life being a bottom feeder captain. But that's just me.

 

[Capt.Underpants]

So you're saying he did understand the concept of ripeness?

Your desperation would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

 

[charlie2]

Your desperation would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.[/QUOTE

Like the United/Continental, American etc...pilots I do want a new contract but like at United/Continental and American it takes time these Republican days so you are right, I'm as desperate as the 1000's and 1000's of pilots at those airlines. Thanks for making me feel better cause misery loves company and NO westies I'm not taking your beloved Kirby proposal...why do you love your AWA management so much? I'll never understand it, I bet your beloved CEO is drinking and driving right now.

 

[Hpilot]

Your desperation would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

Hey, we really need to thank these easties. They're subsidizing our airline. Our jobs are all that more secure thanks to them. Thanks for taking one for the team guys! You're the best! :laugh: Hee Hee

 

[MCDU]

You are welcome preparation Hpilot.
Those hot Phx days giving you flare-ups again.

M

 

[charlie2]

Hey, we really need to thank these easties. They're subsidizing our airline. Our jobs are all that more secure thanks to them. Thanks for taking one for the team guys! You're the best! :laugh: Hee Hee

I was cleaning out the basement recently and in an old box I found some of my old airline crap. What's cool is I saved two Salary Survey magazines one from Future Airline Pilots of America (FAPA) dated 1989-1990 and one from AIR INC dated one decade later, 19999-2000. WOW you AWA guys really subsidized your airline. It is shocking how small your 757 rates and other benies were. Granted that for the first survey you guys were what 7 or 8 years old? So maybe you could be forgiven for that but at 18 years old you were still dragging the industry down quite a bit. Why? At 18 years old your ALPA reps had the negotiatimg power of Mesa. Enjoy your ALPA negotiated contract that you are still working under.

 

[charlie2]

Hey, we really need to thank these easties. They're subsidizing our airline. Our jobs are all that more secure thanks to them. Thanks for taking one for the team guys! You're the best! :laugh: Hee Hee

I think a lot of you westicles were so excited about Praters "Taking it Back" campaign (United pilots are still very excited about that one) but in order to "Take it Back" you would have had to have it in the first place, which you didn't. The next contract that you work under, no matter how and when it happens will be so very much better than you ever had in your life.

 

[Flybywire44]

US Airways has reached rock bottom and it is solid—There is no where left to go but up!

AA merger? That would be fine. Majority rules and APA would bring everyone East/West/3rd List/AA Pilots together with little conflict. The prospects of finally working for a decent carrier would prove to bring everyone together. If 3rd list guys don't care about East vs West, why would AA pilots?

The word at US Air is soon going to be, "out with the old & in with the new; lets move on."

 

[Hpilot]

I think a lot of you westicles were so excited about Praters "Taking it Back" campaign (United pilots are still very excited about that one) but in order to "Take it Back" you would have had to have it in the first place, which you didn't. The next contract that you work under, no matter how and when it happens will be so very much better than you ever had in your life.

HAHAHHAHAHHAH! :laugh: No thanks, your idiot USAPA negotiators are giving away things that we have in the west contract. All for their precious DOH(including furloughs). I'm good with separate ops for a looong time. I'm good here. You guys will have plenty of retirements and can enjoy the movement. Yes, you do have the industry's worst contract, but hey you can't have everything. Hee Hee, better contract from UCRAPA, you guys crack me up.

 

[Hpilot]

Ohhh wait a second, I'm sorry.... you weren't referring to winning your LOA 93 case were you?.........BWAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:laugh:

 

[waveflyer]

I'll bet you a month off FI, that more than half of republic's 170/175/190 capts out earn (>W2's) us air's 190 capts-
Hell, there are more republic pilots out-earning your average airbus driver than what you're claiming

You game?

The simple fact is that you did the right thing in getting that a/c on the property and aligned w/ Jblu's rate AT THE TIME.
The criticism comes from being so low paid and taking this stance against AWA who bought you- now, years later, every other underslung embraer driver has negotiated much higher rates and you can't make a move - you're holding down all pilot wages and lining parker's wallet- as well as a handful of over promising lawyers'.
If this would pay off, I'd get it- it's so dumb bc you will lose, and you will never regain the money you lost.

The fact that we're having this conversation about a regional is shameful enough-

But by all means, take the bet- let's get some republic guys to tell what they're making- you're opinion is dated by about 5 years

You're just talking about Captains. No one goes into USAir as a Captain on a E190. Even if they did, USAir has a 10 dollar/hr advantage in the first few years. Plus, Republic grew so much during the major's bankruptcies that most Captains on the 175/170 are in the 5-10 year seniority range, so comparing those low years to each other, US still has an advantage.

Republic management was smart...they knew that they either wouldn't be around in 20 years, or they would just outsource the flying to a new startup, so they can agree to whatever rate they want at the 20 year mark and it doesnt cost them a dime.

 

[kf4amu]

I'll bet you a month off FI, that more than half of republic's 170/175/190 capts out earn (>W2's) us air's 190 capts-
Hell, there are more republic pilots out-earning your average airbus driver than what you're claiming

You game?

The simple fact is that you did the right thing in getting that a/c on the property and aligned w/ Jblu's rate AT THE TIME.
The criticism comes from being so low paid and taking this stance against AWA who bought you- now, years later, every other underslung embraer driver has negotiated much higher rates and you can't make a move - you're holding down all pilot wages and lining parker's wallet- as well as a handful of over promising lawyers'.
If this would pay off, I'd get it- it's so dumb bc you will lose, and you will never regain the money you lost.

The fact that we're having this conversation about a regional is shameful enough-

But by all means, take the bet- let's get some republic guys to tell what they're making- you're opinion is dated by about 5 years

A. I'm not a USAir pilot
B. This stupid "challenge" of yours is retarded because you know it can't be proven on this stupid website.
C. I know what Republic Captains make who have been there 6 years and it's embarassing for the amount of work they do and the size airplane they fly.
D. What started this whole topic was my simple observation of FO rates, which you morphed into a Captain top pay scale argument when nobody at Republic is, or ever will be, at that level.

 

[St. Nic]

Ohhh wait a second, I'm sorry.... you weren't referring to winning your LOA 93 case were you?.........BWAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:laugh:

I'm just find with Loa 93! No Nic! Have fun shrinking in the desert heat! How are your furloughs and army of laryngitis? Good times to come!

 

[Scoot 11]

I'm just find with Loa 93! No Nic! Have fun shrinking in the desert heat! How are your furloughs and army of laryngitis? Good times to come!

You are a despicable POS for the above comment on furloughs?

 

[St. Nic]

You are a despicable POS for the above comment on furloughs?

Hey bud not my fault they follow the army of laryngitis off the cliff. They could have gone DOH with us and had jobs!!!

 

[ackattacker]

Yet another useful and informative US Airways thread peppered with thoughtful comments born from years of experience and gracious mentoring. Thanks guys, you're the best

 

[charlie2]

Yet another useful and informative US Airways thread peppered with thoughtful comments born from years of experience and gracious mentoring. Thanks guys, you're the best

Mentoring? I'm not sure what you're saying but the captain is usually the "mentor" in an airline operation and nic wants all the 30 year olds at AWA to mentor us geezers out east. No thanks.

 

[St. Nic]

Mentoring? I'm not sure what you're saying but the captain is usually the "mentor" in an airline operation and nic wants all the 30 year olds at AWA to mentor us geezers out east. No thanks.

Well said!!

Nic is a disaster for the profession

 

[TWA Dude]

... and nic wants all the 30 year olds at AWA to mentor us geezers out east.

Um, well, Nicolau did meet a number of East and West pilots during the arbitration hearings. And he's been arbitrating for decades. Just thinking out loud.

 

[JetMonkey]

30 year olds??? Dude, it's been over 6 years since the buy out..

 

[Capt.Underpants]

I was cleaning out the basement recently and in an old box I found some of my old airline crap. What's cool is I saved two Salary Survey magazines one from Future Airline Pilots of America (FAPA) dated 1989-1990 and one from AIR INC dated one decade later, 19999-2000. WOW you AWA guys really subsidized your airline. It is shocking how small your 757 rates and other benies were. Granted that for the first survey you guys were what 7 or 8 years old? So maybe you could be forgiven for that but at 18 years old you were still dragging the industry down quite a bit. Why? At 18 years old your ALPA reps had the negotiatimg power of Mesa. Enjoy your ALPA negotiated contract that you are still working under.

Your airline started in 1939 and you have the worst wages and work rules in the industry. You lose.

 

[charlie2]

30 year olds??? Dude, it's been over 6 years since the buy out..

OK then 33 year olds...same thing.

 

[charlie2]

Your airline started in 1939 and you have the worst wages and work rules in the industry. You lose.

Ya but we are fighting to not lose even more.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Ya but we are fighting to not lose even more.

What's unfortunate is that you don't even understand what constitutes "winning".


I hope no one is surprised when internet skirmishes evolve into jumpseat wars.

 

[charlie2]

Unfortunately we still have guys on both sides being denied a jumpseat.

 

[waveflyer]

Q-1

A. I'm not a USAir pilot
B. This stupid "challenge" of yours is retarded because you know it can't be proven on this stupid website.
C. I know what Republic Captains make who have been there 6 years and it's embarassing for the amount of work they do and the size airplane they fly.
D. What started this whole topic was my simple observation of FO rates, which you morphed into a Captain top pay scale argument when nobody at Republic is, or ever will be, at that level.

You want to talk FOs- lets talk FOs- As embarrassed as you may be- and as deserving of more republic capts may be- I know too- and I still bet that- as for FOs- comparing a kid out of instructing w/ a major airline FO is dumb- but that the conversation can be had highlights my point- there are practically no raises beyond 1st year- and no work rules to magnify that rate-and no way to fly extra- that $41/hr is equating to $35k/year-72 hr guarantee is it- so I won't compare 1st year rates among the two- but there are 2nd year republic
FOs doing better than 2nd year mainline 190 FOs. And I know the 3rd year FOs are.
Topped out mainline FOs are doing better at $55, but it takes 9 years to get topped out and 6yrs to get close- And they're still grossing less than $50k.

Are you saying no republic FOs are breaking $50k?
You know what's worse than flying your arse off for $55k?
Working inefficient 11 day off schedules for $47k

So argue w/ me to whatever end you want, the USAPA stand is damaging pilot wages and affecting a LOT of east pilots VERY negatively- $60/hr 2nd year 190 FO wages were on the table in 2007- topping out at $78

 

[waka]

How does a merger with with 10% right sizing come into your calculations? Also a possible integration with AA is going to put hundreds of there currently furloughed guys in captains seats if they go with USAPA's request right..oh snap.

Point of Order;

"right sizing" is a corporate euphemism for "down sizing". Don't be a sucker to their word games.

That is all. Carry on.

 

[waka]

If anybody should have learned "not to count their chickens" it's any us air pilot hired after 1987.

Nobody is impressed with your hindsight 20/20 vision.

 

[olympus593]

You want to talk FOs- lets talk FOs- As embarrassed as you may be- and as deserving of more republic capts may be- I know too- and I still bet that- as for FOs- comparing a kid out of instructing w/ a major airline FO is dumb- but that the conversation can be had highlights my point- there are practically no raises beyond 1st year- and no work rules to magnify that rate-and no way to fly extra- that $41/hr is equating to $35k/year-72 hr guarantee is it- so I won't compare 1st year rates among the two- but there are 2nd year republic
FOs doing better than 2nd year mainline 190 FOs. And I know the 3rd year FOs are.
Topped out mainline FOs are doing better at $55, but it takes 9 years to get topped out and 6yrs to get close- And they're still grossing less than $50k.

Are you saying no republic FOs are breaking $50k?
You know what's worse than flying your arse off for $55k?
Working inefficient 11 day off schedules for $47k

So argue w/ me to whatever end you want, the USAPA stand is damaging pilot wages and affecting a LOT of east pilots VERY negatively- $60/hr 2nd year 190 FO wages were on the table in 2007- topping out at $78

Usair E190 F/O start at 41:22H Top out at 55:00H with 5H min day, duty rigs and TAFB rigs, + 10% freebie goes into 401K, Per Diem 2:00H, all DH goes above guarantee, guarantee is 76H btw unless you are senior enough to hold long call. Training pay is 85 or 88 a month depending on the number of days in the month. The most junior pilot is on the A320 in DCA so no pilot will be ( as of now ) forced to be on year 2 on the E190 pay. Pay will go up 2% Jan first ( I know big deal ) Does it suck? hell yeah for a major it does.

Rep E190 F/0 start at 23:00H ( year 2 31H ) Tops out at 37:00. No min day, no duty rigs, no TAFB rigs, no cancellation pay, 6% 401K match. So you are right our work rule and pay rate sucks but still much better than Republic.