US Airways Scope Violation

[Raoul Duke]

We think Delta is in violation of our 76 seat scope. US Airways is not the only one blatantly disregarding the scope part of the pilots' contract.

I had not heard of the Delta Scope issue, can you fill us in on the details?

 

[WSurf]

I had not heard of the Delta Scope issue, can you fill us in on the details?

I am sure General Lee can fill you in. But I believe Delta is looking for more scope relief to operate more Jungle Jets. Hopefully they won't cave in.

Its sad to see US Airways Pilots on the street while US Airways management has violated the scope by 17 aircraft. Hope this gets fixed real soon.

 

[Tweaker]

Thank you for "feeling my pain," Surfer

 

[BeCareful!]

Thanks in large part to that prick we have the abomination called usapa.

If you're referring to Prater, then we agree on this point in a big way.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I had not heard of the Delta Scope issue, can you fill us in on the details?

Our Delta JPWA allows 120 76-seat jets. Our union started doing the math and realized Delta is already operating 130+ with more on order. Our union took this to the company and there is a meeting either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow to discuss it. The company wants to offer furlough protection in the form of a LOA in return for allowing all of the current jets to continue flying. We will know more details in the next couple of days. Either way, our Delta pilots' contract has already been broken. As a FNWA, I already have no faith in the new Delta management. They are just as dishonest as our former Northwest management. I was hoping for a new beginning, but that is obviously not going to happen.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but Delta's problem is the same as Airways'. The only difference is that Delta has not furloughed YET.

 

[Turtle21]

So it will take over 6 months from the time folks out west (who were hired in 2005 and furloughed) to get to the few that were hired in 2007/08 to be furloughed? And there is no grievance over this?

The West pilots don't have an issue with it because they don't subscribe to DOH.

Actually, there is a grievance filed.

 

[Turtle21]

If you're referring to Prater, then we agree on this point in a big way.

As far as I can tell, it is the only good thing Prater has done for us. Perhaps its Karma washback for his misdeed of pulling CAL back under the ALPA bus.

 

[slapstick]

...and for the majority of RJ pilots who DON'T want RJ growth, who want to get the heII out, and who want to get to a major ASAP? When did these guys vote to allow more large RJ's? It's sooooo easy to blame them.

 

[bluefin]

...and for the majority of RJ pilots who DON'T want RJ growth, who want to get the heII out, and who want to get to a major ASAP? When did these guys vote to allow more large RJ's? It's sooooo easy to blame them.

At UAL the MEC president was told that if the pilots allowed unlimited 70 seaters then Mgmt would not dump the pension. He sigend the papers without putting it to a vote. Now we know how it turned out. I non-reved over the last couple days, 4 legs I flew on United was all rj's not one mainline. SAD

 

[Turtle21]

At UAL the MEC president was told that if the pilots allowed unlimited 70 seaters then Mgmt would not dump the pension. He sigend the papers without putting it to a vote. Now we know how it turned out. I non-reved over the last couple days, 4 legs I flew on United was all rj's not one mainline. SAD

Its amazing how many so-called leaders in ALPA trust management with dubious promises, yet don't trust the line pilot enough to let them vote.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Its amazing how many so-called leaders in ALPA trust management with dubious promises, yet don't trust the line pilot enough to let them vote.

They let the line pilot vote when they know we will vote with them. If they want something to pass and know the majority of line pilots will vote against it (terminating pensions or scope), then they don't send it to a vote.

 

[DOVPILOT]

thanks for posting that info guys............furlough does suck .............'specially in this job market ! i may have to go flight instruct if i can remember how to fly those things.

yeah who has the money for flight training, not many. Good luck, hope it works out for you.

 

[ualdriver]

At UAL the MEC president was told that if the pilots allowed unlimited 70 seaters then Mgmt would not dump the pension. He sigend the papers without putting it to a vote. Now we know how it turned out. I non-reved over the last couple days, 4 legs I flew on United was all rj's not one mainline. SAD

Actually, I don't believe that is true. If I remember correctly, Contract 2000 gave away the 70 seat RJ's. At that time, of course, it wasn't perceived as a "big deal" because United (and all the legacy airlines) were growing like crazy and we all just received the best contract the industry had ever seen.

During our bankruptcy, we didn't give away unlimited 70 seaters, as much as the company would have liked that I'm sure. What you're probably referring to is that fact that our Master Chairman signed a side letter which allowed the EMB 170 to be flown by United Express. Under the old wording, it was too heavy to be flown under our scope rules. We got something for it (I forget what it was), but whatever we got for it was obviously not worth it. I think that side letter was a huge mistake.

 

[Turtle21]

They let the line pilot vote when they know we will vote with them. If they want something to pass and know the majority of line pilots will vote against it (terminating pensions or scope), then they don't send it to a vote.

Agreed. And for this they charge dues.

 

[Draginass]

And the end result it DALPA caves in again on Scope??!! Talk about a wimp union.