US Airways Scope Violation

[OurMoney1]

What is the latest word on the large RJ argument?

To recap prior updates, the TA Dispute #8 was filed because the Company is currently in violation of the total number of “Large Small Jets” they are permitted to operate under the terms and conditions of the Transition Agreement. The Agreement authorizes the Company to operate a maximum combined total (East and West) of 93 Large SJ’s; they are currently operating 110 Large SJ’s. The remedies sought in arbitration include:
Requiring the Company to immediately cease and desist from operating more than 93 Large SJ’s as defined in Section VIII of the Transition Agreement

Is PSA gonna have to park hulls or will Doug try to get relief from MESA....or has this been resolved.

 

[Volasl]

Just a guess but ill bet they try to negotiate a new LOA allowing that number. In appreciation the company will not furlough. Amazing how much better every airline would be if they followed the contract.

 

[psw757]

from what I have heard is they are tring to use this greivance as leverage to get the furloughs back on the property. There is also the block hours greivance coming up to help support this. They will not allow greater than the 93 rj's. Pretty much all the future furloughs have been mitigated and the company has said they aren't going to furlough more. It would be nice to hear some positive news for once because furlough sux!

 

[JAB31]

thanks for posting that info guys............furlough does suck .............'specially in this job market ! i may have to go flight instruct if i can remember how to fly those things.

 

[iflyhigh]

psw757:

FYI, their are more furloughs at US Airways. Out west another 20 in April with the remaining 7 in May. Out East all the pilots hired in 2007/08 will be furloughed by April.

Only furloughs that have been mitigated were for those guys that took EVLAs. Even if a pilot quit, that did not save a job.

The SJ grievance is not finished. The Arbitrator is hearing the arguments another day in March. Unforunately it one of the days that the Block hour grievance was suppose to be heard. So this Block grievance will probably drag out until April.

If the company could they would be furloughing 500 pilots, but the minimum fleet count is preventing this. This is just a repeat of the last 7 years. Management is trying to figure out how to run an airline. By the time they figure it out, it will be to late. (Though I pray not, cause I do not want anyone else laid off.)

Good luck to everyone, including the US Airways people. They have a long tough road and I don't see alot of roses on it.

 

[paulsalem]

What is the definition of Large Small Jet per the contract?

 

[crj567]

You have to cross-reference the definition of "large/small flight attendant" to make any sense of the situation.

-"Midget hookers" might be a hint.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Remember you are furloughed
A. You gave it away
B. 250 hour wonder pilots want your job ie. they will fly your routes for $20/hour

This must stop...we as legacy pilots must take it back!

 

[vetrider]

This must stop...we as legacy pilots must take it back!

Thanks in large part to that prick we have the abomination called usapa.

 

[LearLove]

Remember you are furloughed
A. You gave it away
B. 250 hour wonder pilots want your job ie. they will fly your routes for $20/hour

This must stop...we as legacy pilots must take it back!

maybe I'm just stupid, but I need some remedial tutoring to figure this post out. I can understand B but not A, especially in ref. to "Remember you are furloughed".

 

[Raoul Duke]

What is the definition of Large Small Jet per the contract?

Isn't it anythng smaller than 110 seats and 103,000lbs?

 

[hockeypilot44]

We think Delta is in violation of our 76 seat scope. US Airways is not the only one blatantly disregarding the scope part of the pilots' contract.

 

[Bringupthebird]

psw757:

FYI, their are more furloughs at US Airways. Out west another 20 in April with the remaining 7 in May. Out East all the pilots hired in 2007/08 will be furloughed by April.

So it will take over 6 months from the time folks out west (who were hired in 2005 and furloughed) to get to the few that were hired in 2007/08 to be furloughed? And there is no grievance over this?

 

[psw757]

there is a greivance over this.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

maybe I'm just stupid, but I need some remedial tutoring to figure this post out. I can understand B but not A, especially in ref. to "Remember you are furloughed".

Remember when you are furloughed that:
a.
b.

Should said that instead...our MEC chairman at the time gave UAL mgmt all the 70's they wanted. Now we are getting replaced by low exp. low pay pilots. Good luck.

My opinion just shut the place down.

 

[Raoul Duke]

We think Delta is in violation of our 76 seat scope. US Airways is not the only one blatantly disregarding the scope part of the pilots' contract.

I had not heard of the Delta Scope issue, can you fill us in on the details?

 

[WSurf]

I had not heard of the Delta Scope issue, can you fill us in on the details?

I am sure General Lee can fill you in. But I believe Delta is looking for more scope relief to operate more Jungle Jets. Hopefully they won't cave in.

Its sad to see US Airways Pilots on the street while US Airways management has violated the scope by 17 aircraft. Hope this gets fixed real soon.

 

[Tweaker]

Thank you for "feeling my pain," Surfer

 

[BeCareful!]

Thanks in large part to that prick we have the abomination called usapa.

If you're referring to Prater, then we agree on this point in a big way.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I had not heard of the Delta Scope issue, can you fill us in on the details?

Our Delta JPWA allows 120 76-seat jets. Our union started doing the math and realized Delta is already operating 130+ with more on order. Our union took this to the company and there is a meeting either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow to discuss it. The company wants to offer furlough protection in the form of a LOA in return for allowing all of the current jets to continue flying. We will know more details in the next couple of days. Either way, our Delta pilots' contract has already been broken. As a FNWA, I already have no faith in the new Delta management. They are just as dishonest as our former Northwest management. I was hoping for a new beginning, but that is obviously not going to happen.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but Delta's problem is the same as Airways'. The only difference is that Delta has not furloughed YET.