US Airways Management and America West Pilots to Open Separate Negotiations

[Captzaahlie]

I actually think this one has six to eight months in it -- maybe more!

PIPE

Well I guess i better sign up on this thread to keep abreast........

 

[linecheck]

SCAB Wars has begun!!!!

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[becket]

SCAB Wars has begun!!!!

http://airbuscaptain2000.phanfare.com/album/581724#imageID=38239530

Love it. If nothing else, it will be a nice addition to the historical archive. USAPA voters will compose the biggest scab list in the history of commercial aviation.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I love it....anyone think there will ever be any unity on the property at LCC.....be it ALPA or USAPA? Either way you are screwed....Either way there won't be any unity.....

Anyone want to deal with seniority now like every other profession......were you can transport you experience and were it doesn't rule your life like it does for us.....

.....never mind...carry on with the attacks while I pop more popcorn....

 

[Captzaahlie]

....ALPA true believers call anyone who disagrees with ALPA "scabs"....this despite the fact there are actual picket line crossing scabs who have held ALPA positions in the past few years.....

...anyone else see the irony......

A true ALPA believer? Sure, thats like believing in Santa Clause and Clinton never really inhaled or boned Monica either....... ALPA did a lot of good in it's day but there's been a lot of conflict of interest regarding in who they represent when it came down to the regionals from where I was from.....

I really do believe it's time for a change, not even considering this East VS. West thing.
(I don't even have a dog in the fight as a mainline new hire, heck I'm junior to every one!).

I just think ALPA has become a big money generating machine, a good old boy club that's filled with secrete agendas and full of expensive meetings sucking down my union dues......
It has gotten out of control and has very little sense of direction.........
I guess this makes me a "scab" according to some (idiots) because I don't think I'm getting my monies worth despite never crossing a picket line.

Starting out with a "clean slate" might do everyone some good if it's possible to sit down at a table and come to some form of an agreement on things. Then again that might be already asking for too much ......:bomb:

 

[becket]

A true ALPA believer? Sure, thats like believing in Santa Clause and Clinton never really inhaled or boned Monica either....... ALPA did a lot of good in it's day but there's been a lot of conflict of interest regarding in who they represent when it came down to the regionals from where I was from.....

I really do believe it's time for a change, not even considering this East VS. West thing.
(I don't even have a dog in the fight as a mainline new hire, heck I'm junior to every one!).

I just think ALPA has become a big money generating machine, a good old boy club that's filled with secrete agendas and full of expensive meetings sucking down my union dues......
It has gotten out of control and has very little sense of direction.........
I guess this makes me a "scab" according to some (idiots) because I don't think I'm getting my monies worth despite never crossing a picket line.

Starting out with a "clean slate" might do everyone some good if it's possible to sit down at a table and come to some form of an agreement on things. Then again that might be already asking for too much ......:bomb:

So the guys that flew struck work aren't scabs? They didn't agree with the union either. I'm sure they felt that they didn't get "their monies worth" either. So I guess you'll get your money from somebody else's pocket? Your version of "change" is being a parasitic scab. Dress it up however you like, but you and your scab kind should stop assuming the rest of us are that stupid, (As*hole).

 

[JoeMerchant]

A true ALPA believer? Sure, thats like believing in Santa Clause and Clinton never really inhaled or boned Monica either....... ALPA did a lot of good in it's day but there's been a lot of conflict of interest regarding in who they represent when it came down to the regionals from where I was from.....

I really do believe it's time for a change, not even considering this East VS. West thing.
(I don't even have a dog in the fight as a mainline new hire, heck I'm junior to every one!).

I just think ALPA has become a big money generating machine, a good old boy club that's filled with secrete agendas and full of expensive meetings sucking down my union dues......
It has gotten out of control and has very little sense of direction.........
I guess this makes me a "scab" according to some (idiots) because I don't think I'm getting my monies worth despite never crossing a picket line.

Starting out with a "clean slate" might do everyone some good if it's possible to sit down at a table and come to some form of an agreement on things. Then again that might be already asking for too much ......:bomb:

:beer:

 

[JoeMerchant]

So the guys that flew struck work aren't scabs? They didn't agree with the union either. I'm sure they felt that they didn't get "their monies worth" either. So I guess you'll get your money from somebody else's pocket? Your version of "change" is being a parasitic scab. Dress it up however you like, but you and your scab kind should stop assuming the rest of us are that stupid, (As*hole).

....what about the scabs (actually crossed a picket line) who have held ALPA positions including CAL MEC Chairman....Want to address that little issue.......

Let me get this straight....Real picket crossing scabs can be ALPA members and hold ALPA positions....but ALPA members who choose to join another union are "scabs".....You ALPA cheerleaders wonder why there is such contempt for this sorry excuse for a union.....

 

[Captzaahlie]

So the guys that flew struck work aren't scabs?

AND JUST EXACTLY WHERE DID I SAY THIS "DEUCE" BAG? (read with the "H" inserted)

I never made any mention of struck work so please get a life...........

:angryfire

As a newhire, who has been in good standing paying his dues for almost 19 years (at another airline) who has had enough of ALPA. I am a scab now because I think another offer is better? AND YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT A CHEERLEADER???uke:
Like I said before, I have nothing to benefit from a new union....
I just don't think I got my monies worth from the old one. WHERE THE HE11 DID I CROSS A PICKET LINE OR PROMOTE STRUCK WORK BECKET?????
PLEASE TELL ME , I'M WAITING..............
:angryfire

JUST FOR THE RECORD I COULDN'T EVEN GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT USAPA , I JUST WANT SOMEONE OTHER THAN ALPA THIS TIME AROUND.

 

[becket]

....what about the scabs (actually crossed a picket line) who have held ALPA positions including CAL MEC Chairman....Want to address that little issue.......

Let me get this straight....Real picket crossing scabs can be ALPA members and hold ALPA positions....but ALPA members who choose to join another union are "scabs".....You ALPA cheerleaders wonder why there is such contempt for this sorry excuse for a union.....

I'm no ALPA cheerleader. CAL scabs should have been tarred and feathered. I never said ALPA was perfect However, ALPA does not exist solely to destroy the careers of an entire, (innocent) airline. USAPA is laser focused on nothing but stripping AWA of their rightful seniority, (and nic agreed).

Any attempt to divert attention away from this fact is just towing the scab line. Just because it's huge, doesn't make them innocent. USAPA supporters are nothing but filthy scabs. Believe me when I say the word is getting out.

 

[becket]

AND JUST EXACTLY WHERE DID I SAY THIS "DEUCE" BAG? (read with the "H" inserted)

I never made any mention of struck work so please get a life...........

:angryfire

As a newhire, who has been in good standing paying his dues for almost 19 years (at another airline) who has had enough of ALPA. I am a scab now because I think another offer is better? AND YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT A CHEERLEADER???uke:
Like I said before, I have nothing to benefit from a new union....
I just don't think I got my monies worth from the old one. WHERE THE HE11 DID I CROSS A PICKET LINE OR PROMOTE STRUCK WORK BECKET?????
PLEASE TELL ME , I'M WAITING..............
:angryfire

JUST FOR THE RECORD I COULDN'T EVEN GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT USAPA , I JUST WANT SOMEONE OTHER THAN ALPA THIS TIME AROUND.

I'll speak slowly. You're obviously having a hard time connecting the dots...There is more than one definition of Scab. It's not just crossing a picket line. You're adamant that "you" should get a better deal? Are you aware that your "better deal" is intended to come at the sole expense of a West pilot?

Stop bullsh*tting me and yourself and look in the mirror.

There's no way to make this whore look respectable. Dress it up however you like Also, i'm not a chearleader, I just know a scab story when I hear one, (sound familiar?)

..."but if USAPA is successful at F***ing over AMW, It's better for me"

BTW, why, after 19 years, did you end up going to work for this disaster? Surely, a "better deal" has presented itself in the last two decades, a deal that wouldn't have made you supportive of scabs.

What Happened? Has your career sucked? Do you now feel entitled to steal somebody else's? I guess that would make you a USAPA member then...nevermind.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I'll speak slowly. You're obviously having a hard time connecting the dots...There is more than one definition of Scab. It's not just crossing a picket line. You're adamant that "you" should get a better deal? Are you aware that your "better deal" is intended to come at the sole expense of a West pilot?

Stop bullsh*tting me and yourself and look in the mirror.

There's no way to make this whore look respectable. Dress it up however you like Also, i'm not a chearleader, I just know a scab story when I hear one, (sound familiar?)

..."but if USAPA is successful at F***ing over AMW, It's better for me"

BTW, why, after 19 years, did you end up going to work for this disaster? Surely, a "better deal" has presented itself in the last two decades, a deal that wouldn't have made you supportive of scabs.

What Happened? Has your career sucked? Do you now feel entitled to steal somebody else's? I guess that would make you a USAPA member then...nevermind.

Like I said Becket I'm junior to everyone!
I'm tired of ALPA and could care or less if I have representation through USAPA , the Teamsters or another in house name. I don't care if it's the AFA for that matter!
ALPA is just a"has been".

After 19 years what the "f" does it matter to you?

Connect these dots "Mr. I need to take cheap shots to make my point". (now you take a good look in the mirror too........)
I won't lower myself to your standards and make any personal insults to you , your mother or your career,......... so go pound or pack some sand Ok?

 

[becket]

Like I said Becket I'm junior to everyone!
I'm tired of ALPA and could care or less if I have representation through USAPA , the Teamsters or another in house name. I don't care if it's the AFA for that matter!
ALPA is just a"has been".

After 19 years what the "f" does it matter to you?

Connect these dots "Mr. I need to take cheap shots to make my point". (now you take a good look in the mirror too........)
I won't lower myself to your standards and make any personal insults to you , your mother or your career,......... so go pound or pack some sand Ok?

The light of truth burns too bright.

good luck, amigo.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

.....doesn't alter the fact that even ALPA doesn't believe in "binding arbitration".....

The Alaska deal is a bit different... and that requires some critical thought.....

With Alaska it was the pilots vs. management.... and no one is threatening to take thier marbles and go home via USAPA... something you are used to doing as a quitter..


The East/West is pilot vs pilot.... something you love to see. You get off on it.....

 

[TWA Dude]

I love it....anyone think there will ever be any unity on the property at LCC.....be it ALPA or USAPA? Either way you are screwed....Either way there won't be any unity.....

Just don't forget there once was unity. We were in joint negotiations for a CBA when the company was profitable. And then, one side withdrew. Which side was that? Oh yeah, the EAST. So if you want to lament the lack of unity look no further than the side that withdrew. The ball is in their court to undo the trouble they've caused. I don't believe indefinite seperate operations is inevitable.