US Airways is finally dead...

[St. Nic]

Hard lessons and cold realities coming your way. You were warned. You didn't listen.

Ya, must be talkin about that desert judge Wake. Nice smack down from the 9th!

 

[becket]

Ya, must be talkin about that desert judge Wake. Nice smack down from the 9th!

The 9th said a ratified JCBA would make it ripe. You ratified that agreement. That's why Silver held a trial. Just because you guys were too stupid and blinded by the promise of FINALLY a little more money and ratified the Nic. isn't anybody else's problem.

 

[General Lee]

Let's see:
1. USAir management told the judge they accepted the Nic list and the only reason it was not implement was the lack of combined operations.
2. Management has ask the judge to give West pilots equal a place and equal standing in upcoming SLI negotiations with APA.
3.. APA will not go for DOH but will instead seek the highest seniority for their pilots.
4. The West pilots will not seek DOH but will insist that the NIC list be used for all USAir pilots as a starting point and then seek a list based on relative seniority.
5. The SLI talks will end in another arbitration where the arbitrators will consider the Nic list as an arbitrator will almost always support another arbitrator's decision (to maintain the integrity of the process and as a matter of job security).
6. The final arbitrated AA list will not be based on DOH but will be an animal unto itself.
7. APA and the West pilots will accept the arbitrated list. East pilots will once again refuse to follow the binding arbitration they agreed to and scream USAPA Forever! while being laughed at by the rest of the industry.
8. There will be a representation vote and since APA and West pilots outnumber East pilots, USAPA will be relegated to the dung heap from which it sprang.
9. Everyone in the industry will be relieved that the ********************hole called USAPA is dead and no longer embarrassing the pilot profession. We will all laugh at the former east pilots as they continue to whine "But DOH was supposed to be the gold standard. The Nic was supposed to be dead. How did this happen?"

Great summation Jim!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hey Nic, I got 2 words for you: Displacement Bid.

Those who stole their upgrades will be waiting a LONG time to get them back. And those who retain them better like where they are at, because it won't be improving for them for a LONG time.

 

[jetflier]

Is Cactus really gone?

 

[eaglesview]

Sounds like to don't have the slightest clue concerning anything that's been negotiated between the three parties in the last year.

Well smart guy we had agreements as well at UAL/CO. Everything took a lot longer than the agreement stated. As a result flying only grew on the CO side and guess which side got the upgrades. Maybe your just working with three superior pilot groups and all will go like clock work. I just don't think that is based on reality.

 

[TWA Dude]

8. There will be a representation vote and since APA and West pilots outnumber East pilots, USAPA will be relegated to the dung heap from which it sprang.

Actually, the only reason there would be a vote is following a successful card campaign. I see zero chance of that happening especially since a large portion of Easties want APA as well.

The rest of your post is spot-on.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

From a consumer perspective, this is sort of like the DMV merging with the IRS. Two seperate unpleasant experiences joining forces. AA and US have always consistently ranked lowest in customer satisfaction if memory serves. You can throw all the new airplanes, paint jobs, and lie-flat seats at it you want... If you still treat your customer like sh*t, they will still notice.

 

[pave driver]

From a consumer perspective, this is sort of like the DMV merging with the IRS. Two seperate unpleasant experiences joining forces. AA and US have always consistently ranked lowest in customer satisfaction if memory serves. You can throw all the new airplanes, paint jobs, and lie-flat seats at it you want... If you still treat your customer like sh*t, they will still notice.

Maybe this safety video will win over customers from AA to Virgin America when they fly from, um, yeah. - VX should use the tag line, "Come fly with us because you can't get there from here." Have you guys made any money yet? Best of luck at VX.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtyfiPIHsIg

 

[zymotic]

Well smart guy we had agreements as well at UAL/CO. Everything took a lot longer than the agreement stated. As a result flying only grew on the CO side and guess which side got the upgrades. Maybe your just working with three superior pilot groups and all will go like clock work. I just don't think that is based on reality.

You said in your original post:

That scum bag Parker will be more than happy to keep the pilots pissed and separated. I predict no contract, keep all the growth at AA which will keep them quiet...East keeps there attrition, keeps them quiet. West is now the vast minority, they get screwed. Parker keeps lower wages.

As to a new contract: already have a hybrid contract of sorts that improved upon AA's. A JCBA process is set out with definitive timelines. Sure, that process could somehow be slowed down I guess but all pilots will be working under AA's contract soon.

Growth: the merger transition agreement prevents growth or shrinkage on one side only.

Lower wages: As of December 9th, every pilot (AA, east, West) is earning the same rates and the rates going forward for the next 6 years already have been decided.

Even if some timelines in the JCBA or SLI process get extended, virtually everything you said above that could happen either can't or the opposite has already occurred. Hence, I believe your predictions seem very much based in ignorance (and I mean ignorance in the nicest of ways; think: lacking any substantive information).

 

[waveflyer]

Zymotic-

I'm sure Parker would love that, but I truly hope APA can grieve to create single ops- or at least a single list and contract.

The problem with the East's tantrum is their contract

$125 to captain an airbus on bad work rules??

Really- I bypassed their w2 as a SWA FO in my 3rd year bc their rules suck so bad-

Why fight for that?

 

[zymotic]

Zymotic-

I'm sure Parker would love that, but I truly hope APA can grieve to create single ops- or at least a single list and contract.

The problem with the East's tantrum is their contract

$125 to captain an airbus on bad work rules??

Really- I bypassed their w2 as a SWA FO in my 3rd year bc their rules suck so bad-

Why fight for that?

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say. I was hired after the US/AWA merger and from where I'm standing it didn't look like a smart battle to drag out all these years. That being said:

As of December 9th, we are working under some of AA's contract with the rest to be phased in "as soon as practicable". Scheduling items are going to take about a year to get all the groups on one page mainly due to PBS implementation and software needs.

There is still a joint conract process to go through but it's a bit different than a typical merger. Many of the items were already negotiated before the merger was announced. The process now is sort of another bite at the apple but the process probably will just move some money around.

As I said before regarding pay: As of December 9th, every pilot (AA, East, and West) is earning the same payrate. Payrates already set out to I believe 2019. Starting January 2016, DAL/UAL average.

No need to grieve anything to get us on one page.

 

[LearLove]

Anyone know if we are getting the lump sum 40mil by the end of the year?

I've seen the message about retro ref the 15th and 30th pay checks but nothing def. about the lump sum.

Just trying to plan some tax stuff plus I'd like to get in on this awesome pyramid scheme some guy told me about in the employee lot today. He looked legit in the white van with the painted out windows.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Anyone know if we are getting the lump sum 40mil by the end of the year?

I've seen the message about retro ref the 15th and 30th pay checks but nothing def. about the lump sum.

Just trying to plan some tax stuff plus I'd like to get in on this awesome pyramid scheme some guy told me about in the employee lot today. He looked legit in the white van with the painted out windows.

Yes....on the 30th.

 

[LearLove]

Yes....on the 30th.

Great. Now I need 5 guys to give me $5000 each. Who's in?

 

[Dornier 335]

Great. Now I need 5 guys to give me $5000 each. Who's in?

Start with the Captain who's name is written on many 320 log cans...

 

[pave driver]

Zymotic-

I'm sure Parker would love that, but I truly hope APA can grieve to create single ops- or at least a single list and contract.

The problem with the East's tantrum is their contract

$125 to captain an airbus on bad work rules??

Really- I bypassed their w2 as a SWA FO in my 3rd year bc their rules suck so bad-

Why fight for that?

Um....yea... We will have a SOC in 18 months as well as an SLI. Currently AB Capt is at 181 / hour, 330 Capt is 220 / hour and pay parity with Delta and United by 2015. Your SWA pay and QOL will soon be sub-par. Try again, my envious flyer.

 

[get2flyin]

Um....yea... We will have a SOC in 18 months as well as an SLI. Currently AB Capt is at 181 / hour, 330 Capt is 220 / hour and pay parity with Delta and United by 2015. Your SWA pay and QOL will soon be sub-par. Try again, my envious flyer.

....he bragged on the 3rd day the pay rates were in effect after years of shame.

 

[pave driver]

....he bragged on the 3rd day the pay rates were in effect after years of shame.

Stating facts is not bragging. Another who brags about their QOL and pay (especially at SWA) and compares it to AA...priceless.

 

[Carl S.]

Pave...did you do all 9 years of LOA93? SWA smoked AAA in every metrics in aviation so you have a long way to catch up, but your ego is already ahead, so you have that going for you.