US Airways Final Recalls: Take it, or Leave it?

[steveg]

It is still a HUGE ?????????????????

It is without a doubt, the most F'd up airline I've ever been involved with. Anyone coming back here hoping for the best will be sorely dissappointed. If you are leaving a decent job, please send me the contact info for the position you are leaving so I can apply.

For those of you that think this is a hard decision, you are wrong. Use your head, not your heart. In it's present state, this airline will not be around very long. Whatever the upcoming change(s) will be, do you really want to wait around and be on the botom of list when it happens? Whatever it may be?

 

[crazee8]

It is still a HUGE ?????????????????

It is without a doubt, the most F'd up airline I've ever been involved with. Anyone coming back here hoping for the best will be sorely dissappointed. If you are leaving a decent job, please send me the contact info for the position you are leaving so I can apply.

For those of you that think this is a hard decision, you are wrong. Use your head, not your heart. In it's present state, this airline will not be around very long. Whatever the upcoming change(s) will be, do you really want to wait around and be on the botom of list when it happens? Whatever it may be?

Good point. It's really not much of a decision for me. I've already made it but am just having some last minute have-I-looked-at-every-angle thoughts.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

I am not taking my east recall.

I was hired at the West and the doom and gloom airline followed me to the land of the cactus.

B-atch you going back?

 

[Swaayze]

They recalled us for an Aug27 class and now they're trying to get takers for an Aug20 date that they're trying to put together. I guess they're really hurtin....

It seems everywhere I turn there's another sign beating back my greed (which is good, because the closer it gets to "time" the more I think maybe I should go back, only for the money). The most recent was on a church marquis: "Children need your time, not your money". Pretty heavy stuff considering I'd be a long-term commuter with 7 yo twin girls at home!

FurlougedAgain maybe you should go back and I should decline. Then at least maybe one of us will make the right choice.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

My kid is 14 months old. I dont want to be in indoc when he takes his first steps. You go back and I'LL stay here.

 

[On Your Six]

Big Disappointment from the 7/30th recall class. Rumors had it that several wide body AC would be available for this class. As it turns out, only 319 slots were available and awarded. It seems to me that Airways is using the "Big Airplane" carrot once again. In reality, only 17 out of 29 showed up for class. In my opinion 3 to 5 will throw in the towel before the week ends. My personal "Gut Feeling" is that this place has not changed in the last 6 years.... Still A big ????????? proceed with CAUTION !!! That's all I've got to say!!

Every airplane is a "small airplane" compared to the 747-400 you are flying... So, do you have the international bug? Is that why you want the A330/767? A319 wouldn't be too bad in my opinion.

Good luck.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I am not taking my east recall.

I was hired at the West and the doom and gloom airline followed me to the land of the cactus.

B-atch you going back?

Yeah, and little did we know when we hired him that he'd bring 4500 of his nastiest buddies along with him!

PHXFLYR

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Yeah, and little did we know when we hired him that he'd bring 4500 of his nastiest buddies along with him!

PHXFLYR

Ok Sunshine. LOL

 

[B-atch]

Every airplane is a "small airplane" compared to the 747-400 you are flying... So, do you have the international bug? Is that why you want the A330/767? A319 wouldn't be too bad in my opinion.

Good luck.

In my case, I'm trying to chase the money! BIGGG pay-cut for me. The wide body would make the transition a bit less painful. I don't anticipate any recall pilot being able to hold on to the wide-body too long ,but it will buy some time. 4th year pay on the 320 is $73/hr. 3rd year its $62!!! OUCH!!!!

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Swaayze? Drop me a pm and let me know what you decided.

 

[The Victors]

Good luck to those of you that return to that place. Something that should have grabbed my attention back when I accepted a offer in 99 is that the company (east us air alone) hadn't had a profitable year since like 88.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Where are you now Victors?

 

[The Victors]

Fortunately, swa.

 

[Swaayze]

Swaayze? Drop me a pm and let me know what you decided.

Still on the fence. So tired of making bad decisions (in hindsight, of course) that I'd rather not decide. Pretty sure I know deep down but I'm having a hard time. Figure I got a couple more days 'til I have to give notice at my current employer if I'm going back, so I'll let you know then I guess.

Crazee8 what did you do?

 

[crazee8]

Crazee8 what did you do?

I have my "No Thanks" letter in my Drafts folder of Outlook. I just haven't sent it yet - but as soon as I get back to my desktop - I will.

I am in a good position right now and going back to US would be a 50ish% paycut. Although I would live in base, I'm unable to find reasons that would justify taking a 50% paycut. Job stability? US has shown no hesitation in the past to lay off, and do it quickly. I just don't see any future there right now - and even if I did, I could not handle being an FO for 18 years. I haven't even started on how bad morale must be.

Spouse just quit UAL (after 12 years in management) for a government job and isn't looking back. Doesn't seem logical for me to return to a legacy when I know how effed up UAL is (and I do mean effed up) and would never work there. I would imagine that US is more effed up than UAL because of the merger.

So, my answer is - based on the new realities of 2007 - I'm not going back.

You just have to decide which situation would be less effed up for you because I guarantee neither is perfect.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Every time I think to myself, "Ok. Decision made. I'm just going to stay here.", I start to second guess.

I wonder, "Will this flight department exist for another 25 years?"

"Will a bean counter take over the CEO spot and decide to outsource the flying to fractionals?"

"Will the company cut back on aviation and park airplanes -- and if they do, will they lay-off in seniority order?"

"Will a new director of Aviation take over who decides to cut costs by adding more overnights and less ferry-legs?" (schedule is the #1 reason to stay where i'm at)

"If any of the above happen -- what will I do next?"

Seniority is everything. If I ever was to decide to make the jump back into airlines, the sooner I do so the better.

I could go back to US Airways and have instant seniority (albeit only a little bit), apply at another airline and, if hired, start over again, or wait here until such time that things start to look like they're falling apart and THEN pursue employment elsewhere.

I didn't realize how comfortable I had gotten having that USAir "insurance policy" in my back pocket.

 

[General Lee]

Every time I think to myself, "Ok. Decision made. I'm just going to stay here.", I start to second guess.

I wonder, "Will this flight department exist for another 25 years?"

"Will a bean counter take over the CEO spot and decide to outsource the flying to fractionals?"

"Will the company cut back on aviation and park airplanes -- and if they do, will they lay-off in seniority order?"

"Will a new director of Aviation take over who decides to cut costs by adding more overnights and less ferry-legs?" (schedule is the #1 reason to stay where i'm at)

"If any of the above happen -- what will I do next?"

Seniority is everything. If I ever was to decide to make the jump back into airlines, the sooner I do so the better.

I could go back to US Airways and have instant seniority (albeit only a little bit), apply at another airline and, if hired, start over again, or wait here until such time that things start to look like they're falling apart and THEN pursue employment elsewhere.

I didn't realize how comfortable I had gotten having that USAir "insurance policy" in my back pocket.

Just go back. You have a Lear Type and experience, so you can go back to that if needed. Get yourself strapped into an A319 or E190 and get back into it. Also, don't commute. Move to a large base.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Still on the fence. So tired of making bad decisions (in hindsight, of course) that I'd rather not decide. Pretty sure I know deep down but I'm having a hard time. Figure I got a couple more days 'til I have to give notice at my current employer if I'm going back, so I'll let you know then I guess.

Crazee8 what did you do?

Go back. Why stay at Eagle? Try to get CLT as a base and fly something there. If you live in DFW you could try a commute, but I would think living in a large base would be better for your family. Bail from Eagle and hope for the best. You can always go back to Eagle or fly corporate eventually if things went south again.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FurloughedAgain]

General,

While I appreciate your advice, I don't believe you are seeing the entire picture. You lack the experience of working for US Airways and the associated uncertainty.

You lack the experience of working for my current flight department (which can not be compared with any run-of-the mill Learjet operator. It's a Fortune 500 company whose quality of life far exceeds that found in 99% of the corporate, fractional, or charter operators out there.)

I also question any airline pilot who tells me, "You could just go fly corporate". It doesn't work that way. There is a strong aversion to airline pilots within the corporate world. Only those who are very lucky manage to find a good corporate job after having worked for an airline. There are dozens of threads on the Corporate section of this website about airline guys desperately trying to break into corporate. If you leave corporate and go BACK to an airline, your resume will speak for itself. No reputable flight department will hire you when you've shown that your loyalties truly remain at the airlines.

I appreciate you trying to help, but i'm a little frustrated with people saying "Just go back" without providing me with any evidence that doing so would be anything more than gambling (again) with my family's future.

 

[Swaayze]

Go back. Why stay at Eagle? Try to get CLT as a base and fly something there. If you live in DFW you could try a commute, but I would think living in a large base would be better for your family. Bail from Eagle and hope for the best. You can always go back to Eagle or fly corporate eventually if things went south again.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Well that's just it. We simply aren't moving and I just really don't think going back with the intent of commuting for 20-25 years is a very wise decision for my family with 2 young kids at home. This is already my second time at Eagle (I don't think I could start over here a third), and I've put up with an awful lot in the last 6 years (2 furloughs, 1 CH7, 4 jobs, a 2 leg commute at Eagle after being told we'd have DFW slots in my newhire class, etc) to get to the point I'm at now: holding 2-day trips and driving 20 mins to work. Obviously the pay issue makes it very difficult here but I'm having trouble finding ANY other reason to return to U (besides maybe a little SJS for the 757).

And, I agree totally with FA on the corporate thing. Don't think I haven't tried that route and met with nothing but a couple of nibbles and a high degree of skepticism about my intent. If you aren't well connected you can forget it as a current/furloughed airline guy.

Thanks for the input, really. I need all the help I can get!