US Airways & American

[OPECJet]

Says the rookie west pilot holding a lottery ticket he can't cash! LOL

What lottery in hell did he win?

 

[shon7]

This merger is going to be like watching two really ugly fat people have sex. It will take a long time to figure out but in the end both participants will get screwed.

so true. with so much bad blood they might just let the seniority integration be done on management discretion.

 

[Citjok]

The finance people (beancounters) behind doors don't give a crap about employees. As long as airplanes takeoff is all good. Seniority disputes is at the bottom of their priorities. We as pilots get the ulcer and they keep the cash. Wow what a concept.

 

[fam62c]

What do you mean the employees will go nowhere? Depending on what they give up, they will probably follow the planes, unless the planes sit in the desert for 2 years. Some airlines do want pieces, but if the pieces are big enough, then they should follow. It's a chance also to get rid of AA management.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

Maybe, but most of the MD-80's would probably get parked. Some pilots might find homes at the bottom of a list but many jobs would likely be lost. In a liquidation the secured creditors want maximum return, they are not concerned about where the employees go. I don't think most of the AMR employees want to roll the dice, they saw how it worked out for TWA, they don't want to BE TWA. Nobody is going to give these guys anywhere near DOH, SW proved that you don't have to if you have the upper hand. In the end the AMR employees are going to support a stand-alone plan and hope for future success of the company.

Who knows, anything can happen, but I would put my money on them staying intact and independent. The management team will push hard for this because their big windfall will be in a future IPO where they can cash in the equity stake that management teams always (undeservedly) seem to be awarded in these situations. Many of the creditors have the same hope, equity is their only real shot at a return.

 

[The Prussian]

QUOTE=TWA Dude;2279729] The Bond-McKaskill law was supposed to fix that problem by forcing binding arbitration but as the AirTran pilots know too well a wily CEO can easily get around that.[/QUOTE]

Moot point...the outcome speaks for itself...any governmental binding decree in our case, would probably be vehemently contested for decades to come,...as you're unfortunately, but most likely, destined to find out. In our case, we avoided that outcome.

 

[Hpilot]

It's going to be straight DOH. The TWA pilots wanted and deserved DOH. This merger is going to happen and it will be DOH. PHX is going to be flushed to Republic and they can enjoy their relative seniority integration wtih another regional which is all AWA ever was a regional!

Yeah, with your pathetic batting average I’m shaking in my custom made baby seal leather boots!

 

[Hpilot]

DOH could never be the merger protocol for a US AA merger. The AA merger with TWA wasnt DOH so any merged list can't take a current TWA pilot and make him senior to AA pilots he is currently junior to. There would be thousands of lawsuits.

Yes WE know that, but dumb-dumb doesn't know that. His pathetic union has told him they can just re-arrange seniority any way they like, legal or not. Didn't you know? Seniority is just like crew meals.

 

[Hpilot]

More like the APA will flush USAPA down the can, and then the NIC award will be implemented FULLY. Then, it will go to arbitration again for the AA/US merger, and all will be "right" in the Universe.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

BINGO! You've just won yourself a brand new Mike Cleary toy figure. It
has a reversible diaper and thumb sucking hand action!

 

[Scoot 11]

Says the rookie west pilot holding a lottery ticket he can't cash! LOL

That goes to show your arrogance, and ignorance junior. I don't work for Us Airways.

 

[dugan jones]

You won't find one pilot at Us Air east with an ounce of integrity.

So without having ever met me you were able to determine that I do not have an ounce of integrity. :laugh:

 

[cactusboy53]

It's going to be straight DOH. The TWA pilots wanted and deserved DOH. This merger is going to happen and it will be DOH. PHX is going to be flushed to Republic and they can enjoy their relative seniority integration wtih another regional which is all AWA ever was a regional!

Nicky Baby!
How's my favorite MDA - never flew mainline - pilot? Entitlement posturing at it's very finest. Final is final, binding is binding and you still don't get what integrity means.

Have a great day. Keep clicking them ruby shoes!

 

[Flybywire44]

Nicky Baby!
How's my favorite MDA - never flew mainline - pilot? Entitlement posturing at it's very finest. Final is final, binding is binding and you still don't get what integrity means.

Have a great day. Keep clicking them ruby shoes!

Maybe West will get the arbitrated award, maybe they won't—nothing is certain.

Maybe East will merge with AMR, while West is sold to another company—nothing is certain.

Maybe US Airways will never merge and later declare bankruptcy—nothing is certain.

Nothing is certain Cactusboy.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The "PHX is being sold off to Republic" thing was last year. The Make a Wish Foundation rejected your request. Try again!

 

[Bringupthebird]

so true. with so much bad blood they might just let the seniority integration be done on management discretion.

Nope, that ship sailed. Bad blood doesn't trump an arbitration. Now they might need to take the east to Cesar Milan after thet get back from the neutering. Even the worst dog can be trained to obey. 3600 of them are no different.

My prediction is that the PBGC pressures Horton and the BK Judge to sell the airline to someone else in exchange for the contract being gutted (or LOA93'd) but freeezing the pensions so the obligation is not dumped on the PBGC. This provides a lean AMR that doesn't impact the economic recovery (sham) that Obama's reelection depends on.

 

[cactusboy53]

Maybe West will get the arbitrated award, maybe they won't—nothing is certain.

Maybe East will merge with AMR, while West is sold to another company—nothing is certain.

Maybe US Airways will never merge and later declare bankruptcy—nothing is certain.

Nothing is certain Cactusboy.

Arbitrated award sits on Doug's desk. Several law firms that you interviewed, 1 Arbitrator & Two Federal Judges agree it is FINAL & BINDING (soon to be THREE FEDERAL JUDGES?). Two Federal Judges also agreed, but somehow thought it wasn't ripe (yet), but would MOST ASSUREDLY BE if a contract is voted in with something other than the NIC. QUITE CERTAIN.

There will be NO split of LCC. One certificate, one work force, one company. Pretty certain, but keep clickin' them ruby shoes.

We are making money now, and according to the company we can continue to do so (even w/ oil @ $106). You don't declare bankruptcy when you are making money. QUITE CERTAIN (as long as oil stays about or below where its at).

Death, Taxes, the Second Coming, and Mike Cleary's ability to do some of the most BLOCK-HEADED actions and communications......MOST CERTAIN ABOVE ALL. :laugh:

 

[St. Nic]

Nicky Baby!
How's my favorite MDA - never flew mainline - pilot? Entitlement posturing at it's very finest. Final is final, binding is binding and you still don't get what integrity means.

Have a great day. Keep clicking them ruby shoes!

Listen bub, I've ben flying 73s since you were in grade school. Beautiful machine, wish I could fly it to retirement but it looks like our 73s (east) are going AWAy, just like Phoenix will be gone soon. ByBy!

Truth is, separate ops works just fine until AA comes along and kicks the rookies to the curb. Enjoy merging with republic!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Listen bub, I've ben flying 73s since you were in grade school.

BS Flag at the top of the pole! Do you ever post on something you actually know something about?

My guess is that you couldn't recognize a 737 even if given best 2 out of 3.

 

[cactusboy53]

Listen bub, I've ben flying 73s since you were in grade school. Beautiful machine, wish I could fly it to retirement but it looks like our 73s (east) are going AWAy, just like Phoenix will be gone soon. ByBy!

Truth is, separate ops works just fine until AA comes along and kicks the rookies to the curb. Enjoy merging with republic!

Listen Pops;
IF you "ben" flying 73's that long, then you and I were born in the same decade.

While your posts lead me to believe you are QUITE junior, they also lend the fact that you are an angry little man. I just got off the 73. While fun, I am quite comfortable in my new front office.

You are married to us until death do us part (or the next merger). Why don't you go and drink a nice big glass of Metamucil, and go take a terrific dump (might clear up your thinkin' cap).

Enjoy the Nic. It's just around the corner.....oops...hope you didn't pop a vein. See you in Philly! I'll buy the first round, I'll use my AARP card for a discount! :beer:

Hope these fit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8vFs7Z7qU&feature=fvwrel

 

[Scoot 11]

You should seek out ways to raise your emotional intelligence.

I would, but then you wouldn't be able to understand.

 

[On Your Six]

Listen bub, I've ben flying 73s since you were in grade school. Beautiful machine, wish I could fly it to retirement but it looks like our 73s (east) are going AWAy, just like Phoenix will be gone soon. ByBy!

Truth is, separate ops works just fine until AA comes along and kicks the rookies to the curb. Enjoy merging with republic!

Sorry NIC, but you didn't have to stay at USair, you could have gone to Jetblue or Spirit a few years back and could have been senior. You now will have to live with the NIC award, and as Cactusboy states, it really is right around the corner. If AA becomes a player, the APA will abide by the NIC award (or lose a lawsuit bigtime), and if you are junior on the East side, you could be gone too. It's called reality, look into it.


Godspeed!


The OYSter