US Airways- 52 additional Pilots

[TWA Dude]

How wonderful to hear from our favorite USAPA apologist from United. (Did you send any 747 manuals to your US Air buddies back in the early '00s?)

I don't live in the desert
The average age of Westies is in the upper 40s. "youngins" indeed.

 

[ackattacker]

The letter states that this is not a recall just an offer to go east before they Hire. It may be a one time offer for group 2 to the east, I am not sure, but it would'nt affect recall rights to the west. The west pilots can keep bypassing east postions indefanetly.

Ah, right, that makes more sense.

One thing still confuses me, though. My understanding is that West guys taking East positions are placed at the bottom of the East seniority list. That being the case, how can they be offered group 2 aircraft? Seems to me that there would be enough E190 f/o's who could want to bid into those group 2 spots.

 

[get2flyin]

One side you get very quick movement up the seniority list based on age alone. On the other side you can live in the desert and have a bunch of youngins in front of you.

They're re-indexing the seniority list based on age instead of hire date? Ha! What will those crazy Easties think of next!

 

[Question4U]

Ah, right, that makes more sense.

One thing still confuses me, though. My understanding is that West guys taking East positions are placed at the bottom of the East seniority list. That being the case, how can they be offered group 2 aircraft? Seems to me that there would be enough E190 f/o's who could want to bid into those group 2 spots.

I think it all depends on if they decide to enforce the 12 month seat lock or not. They have been letting guys out of the seat lock but who knows if they are going to do that this time. You are right they do put all west guys on the bottom of the east list. I don't know what is going to happen, but the letter said you could pick either group2 or 190.

 

[psw757]

There is a lot of movement on this bid so it is hard to tell where everyone will go. There are 40 new captain positions as well as recalls and new hires. The last bid there were quite a few group 2 vacancies and all the senior fo's on the 190 stayed so it pretty much went to the bottom of the list. My hunch is that any of the senior 190 guys who want group 2 will get it first (based on the last bid, not many will leave) then any recalls will fill group 2 and if positions are left to be filled it will go down the 190 list until all the group 2 vacancies are filled. Then the remaining positions would be backfiled with new hires to the 190 to replace those moving up.

 

[OnTheDole]

Ah, right, that makes more sense.

One thing still confuses me, though. My understanding is that West guys taking East positions are placed at the bottom of the East seniority list. That being the case, how can they be offered group 2 aircraft? Seems to me that there would be enough E190 f/o's who could want to bid into those group 2 spots.

If a west pilot declined the 1st east offer (E190) and then accepts this offer (737/A320), they will be sr. to any pilots hired since the initial offer but Jr. to all original east pilots and jr. to all 3rd listers.

So a west pilot coming east in this offer could get a 737/a320 even though a 3rd lister (who is sr. to them for now) is still stuck on the E190 because of the seat lock.

Weird things happen when you have several different seniority proposals... and the company ignores all of them at their leisure

 

[Flyer1015]

Call me crazy for asking this, but I hope US East did the math on their gamble. Kicking ALPA out and not going with the Nicolai award for 3+ years now, with USAPA, as compared to accepting it 3 years ago and getting the joined contract.

Just how much money are we talkin that was lost, at the expense of trying to defeat the Nicolau award? And in the end, so far, is it really worth it? I'm a regional guy, I got no beef with any AWA Westies or US Air Easties, but I am truly curious to hear from the East.

 

[zymotic]

Call me crazy for asking this, but I hope US East did the math on their gamble. Kicking ALPA out and not going with the Nicolai award for 3+ years now, with USAPA, as compared to accepting it 3 years ago and getting the joined contract.

Just how much money are we talkin that was lost, at the expense of trying to defeat the Nicolau award? And in the end, so far, is it really worth it? I'm a regional guy, I got no beef with any AWA Westies or US Air Easties, but I am truly curious to hear from the East.

There's about a billion other threads scattered all over the internet that you can "hear from the East". Why don't we keep this one for those that might actually want to work here?

...and no, it's really not going to be worth it in the end but I have no dog in the seniority fight. I'm just a hostage.

 

[PHXFLYR]

All west furloughs have *already* been offered recall to the east and they have *already* hired off the street...

Close . The initial recall offered to the west furloughed pilots a few months ago were for E190 positions that were open at the time. 8 furloughed west pilots accepted,the rest bypassed. Once they exhausted both lists; east and west ,they started hiring off the street for the remaining E190 east positions that remained unfilled.

The more recent recall offer are for postions the east guys refer to as Group 2 aircraft. I believe those positions include assignment to the A320 and B737. My understanding is these recalls have been offered to west pilots as well as east . I'm not aware of any west pilots who accepted this latest recall offer to the larger aircraft at this time and I've been told, but am not certain that the east furloughed list has been exhausted and all remaining east furloughess have either accepted recall or have resigned .

PHXFLYR

 

[Deadalus]

One side you get very quick movement up the seniority list based on age alone. On the other side you can live in the desert and have a bunch of youngins in front of you.

Yeah, hurry up and make that upgrade so you can make the same as an AWA FO. Ohhhh, but wait, your quality of life and contract will still suck............dumb@ss!

 

[MCDU]

Yeah, hurry up and make that upgrade so you can make the same as an AWA FO. Ohhhh, but wait, your quality of life and contract will still suck............dumb@ss!

Hate to break it to you. West has the lowest paid 757 pilots in the country. The extra 20000 $ the East pilots received the last 2 years made even the Airbus better paid. Many former Capt are again in their seat. With all the movement, there has been many gains for East pilots. Reserve going to line holders and f/o to Capt. Being separate has been a good thing. 75 % of west pilots would be placed ahead of the most junior 737 East capt. with the Nic. There are only 85 pilots total that are going to be 190 F/O's.

M

 

[ALGFLYR]

Yeah, hurry up and make that upgrade so you can make the same as an AWA FO. Ohhhh, but wait, your quality of life and contract will still suck............dumb@ss!

We all know that is not true, but you think it sounds good...

The A-330, 767 and 757 all pay more than the west payrates. So East 757 pilots make more than West 757 pilots. And while our Airbus and 737 payrates are lower than the West, Keep in mind that EVERY East Captain and most FO's are top of scale. That is not the case with the West.So I would venture to say that the vast majority of East pilots make more than West pilots...

 

[Trogdor]

Close . The initial recall offered to the west furloughed pilots a few months ago were for E190 positions that were open at the time. 8 furloughed west pilots accepted,the rest bypassed. Once they exhausted both lists; east and west ,they started hiring off the street for the remaining E190 east positions that remained unfilled.

The more recent recall offer are for postions the east guys refer to as Group 2 aircraft. I believe those positions include assignment to the A320 and B737. My understanding is these recalls have been offered to west pilots as well as east . I'm not aware of any west pilots who accepted this latest recall offer to the larger aircraft at this time and I've been told, but am not certain that the east furloughed list has been exhausted and all remaining east furloughess have either accepted recall or have resigned .

PHXFLYR

The last class of Group 2 recalls (February 21st) had 31 pilots, split evenly between East and West. This was the last chance for East guys to come back. So as of February 22nd, there are no remaining East furloughs.

 

[Crzipilot]

Yeah, hurry up and make that upgrade so you can make the same as an AWA FO. Ohhhh, but wait, your quality of life and contract will still suck............dumb@ss!

Yup, QOL definitely sucks. Just coming off RSV (probably about 3 years earlier than if the NIC was in place) and sitting on 17 days off with 82 hours, and away from home only about 5 nights.....

Yup I'd say that QOL life sucks......throw me in that briar patch....

 

[BeCareful!]

Yup, QOL definitely sucks. Just coming off RSV (probably about 3 years earlier than if the NIC was in place) and sitting on 17 days off with 82 hours, and away from home only about 5 nights.....

Yup I'd say that QOL life sucks......throw me in that briar patch....

Crzi,

It's not nice introducing reality into FlightMisInfo.com threads...you know how these guys like their own special flavor of the truth. West is best, and that's that around here. How else are they going to convince 3000 guys to sell themselves out?

 

[Carl S.]

Sell themselves out!!! Right. Like paying your mortgage instead of walking away from your house. You made a deal to go to arbitration, now it is LOA 93 till you man up. The East contract sucks so many ways compared to the West where shall we start..... STD, WX cancel pay, reserve days, min day guarantee, vacation days(Just 14 days differance to start out at),No fly list,and of course if you break 85 hours out East, you go on the bad boy list from USAPA, except union officers who get 95 hours of pay. The rate on the 757/767 and A330 maybe higher, but the over all package is a giant turd!!!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

The last class of Group 2 recalls (February 21st) had 31 pilots, split evenly between East and West. This was the last chance for East guys to come back. So as of February 22nd, there are no remaining East furloughs.

And yet USApA has not recinded the assessment to cover their chosen furloughees medical insurance premiums. Wonder why? I guess when labor law greenlights extortion, why close off the money tap before someone forces you to?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Yup, QOL definitely sucks. Just coming off RSV (probably about 3 years earlier than if the NIC was in place) and sitting on 17 days off with 82 hours, and away from home only about 5 nights.....

Yup I'd say that QOL life sucks......throw me in that briar patch....

How much earlier did you come off furlough absent the merger?

82 hours at those payrates? Its either NIC or WIC (although I guess most stores take Food Stamps, don't they?)

 

[Hpilot]

Yeah, hurry up and make that upgrade so you can make the same as an AWA FO. Ohhhh, but wait, your quality of life and contract will still suck............dumb@ss!

Dude, you're wasting your breath(finger strokes). These are the same doorknobs that hung on at an airline until near liquadation. They are apparently happy to be the lowest paid in the industry, which is where they are going to stay for a looooooooong time.

"Hey look at me I'm the most senior pilot at the crapiest airline, I helped to create." Good response Eastholes.

Dead, looks like you left already. I'm hoping to go somewhere else and maybe US Airways will go bye bye like it should have before AWA saved it.

 

[TDK90]

Has there been hiring off the street yet?