Marty Moose
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MAGNUM!! said:I've got no opinion one way or the other about UPS sending dudes to the MD-11 right off the bat, but I have a question.
All I've flown is small pointy jets, and I've plumbed a little on the panel. I'm going to the right seat of the Boeing next month and ain't sweating it. HOWEVER, if I showed up day one of Indoc and they told me I was going to be an -11 F/O next week, I'd start sweating bullets. And I consider myself an above average pilot (but then again, don't we all?). Wouldn't that be a tough way to start? I'm sure any qualified pilot could hack it eventually, but that sounds like a helluva lot of work right off the bat.
Purpledog said:Why doesn't UPS have a seat bid to move the peeps around instead of sending all the newbies into FO seats? Aren't there a bunch of current SO's getting bypassed? Do they get passover pay?.
MAGNUM!! said:I've got no opinion one way or the other about UPS sending dudes to the MD-11 right off the bat, but I have a question.
All I've flown is small pointy jets, and I've plumbed a little on the panel. I'm going to the right seat of the Boeing next month and ain't sweating it. HOWEVER, if I showed up day one of Indoc and they told me I was going to be an -11 F/O next week, I'd start sweating bullets. And I consider myself an above average pilot (but then again, don't we all?). Wouldn't that be a tough way to start? I'm sure any qualified pilot could hack it eventually, but that sounds like a helluva lot of work right off the bat.
Below Mins said:The "safest seat" for a new hire during probation is probably a plumber seat. However, it's been my experience that the bigger they are, the easier they are to fly. The new hire guys/gals going to the 75/76 will have a much tougher time in training than the MD-11 folks, if for no other reason than the ground school alone.
All that being said, I seriously doubt UPS will put a new hire in the -11 unless they have some previous heavy experience (i.e. C141, C5, C17, etc).
Just my opinion....
Below Mins
Spooky 1 said:Not sure why UPS would do this in the first place. Most of these folks will find them selves in the position of Relief pilot duties and if my past is any indicator of how this works, they will not be getting much stick time. Oh well wtf do I know?
Spooky 1 said:I don't know why you happen to think that the B757/767 ground school is more of a challenge than the MD11, but I suppose either one could be difficult for a person who was not truly attentive to the task at hand. My comments were directed at the actual aircraft. I would agree that the larger aircraft are somewhat easier to handle than some lesser MGW aircraft, but the MD11 has certain qualities that can be challenging to even experienced heavy aircraft drivers. I think if you reflected back on the series of accidents/incidents that this aircraft has experienced, especially given the small size of the world wide fleet, you would tend agree that the airplane has some very unforgiving qualities. I am not bashing the MD11, as I enjoyed the six years that I flew it very much. It just does not suffer fools lightly, and that is a fact. Therefore, getting back to my original statement, the MD11 would seem to be a poor choice for an initial assignment at UPS. In addition to the fact that the frequency of landings for a junior airman (RP) would probably not be as good as say the Boeing 767/757, or Airbus category of aircraft. No big deal as I don't have a dog in the fight. Just an observation that may be flawed to boot.
Big Beer Belly said:Age within a new hire class determines seniority, but I'm sure UPS is looking closely at the backgrounds of the pilots they assign to the MD-11 as someone has previously suggested.