UPS furloughing 300

[waveflyer]

Or you could always listen to those guys who make great one sided documentaries like that fat ass michael moore.
Or better yet, how about Jon Stewart?

Don't hate Jon Stewart bc he murders your guys with inane things like "logic"
it's a shame that the most trustworthy news comes from the comedy channel- but it is what it is- all your side can do is discredit him whenever they can- bc toe to toe against anybody- Jon is smarter and wins every time convincingly-

what this has to do with ups trying to furlough- I don't know-

since southwest was brought up- I really don't think GK or CM hired me to furlough me- and I appreciate that our management does think in human terms and has been running fat for a while now-
IF the decision is made to furlough me- I WANT guys working as hard as possible-picking up flying etc etc- make it a job worth coming back to. Don't sacrifice contractually-
I don't think I'd have this opinion at any other airline- and DEFINITELY not at UPS.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

So you're defense of Fox is that it's better than the comedy show that Jon Stewart runs. That's really your standard? Stewart run a comedy show that doesn't pretend to be a legitimate new channel, Fox runs a propaganda machine that pretends to be real news. Understand the difference?

Judging by your response, it's quite obvious that if brains were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose!
Now, back to the sandbox young boy!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Don't hate Jon Stewart bc he murders your guys with inane things like "logic"

:laugh:
Logic? Is that what you guys call it? It must be logical to burden this country and your future grand children with $trillions worth of debt! All in the name of socialism!

it's a shame that the most trustworthy news comes from the comedy channel- but it is what it is- all your side can do is discredit him whenever they can- bc toe to toe against anybody- Jon is smarter and wins every time convincingly-

Personally, I like Nick at night, and Spongebob, but I wouldn't exactly say he's smarter and definately wouldn't get my news source from him, although he does make a mean crabby patty in the cartoon world.

what this has to do with ups trying to furlough- I don't know-

Because a poster made a comment about Fox news and not to rely on it for your only news media outlet.

since southwest was brought up- I really don't think GK or CM hired me to furlough me-

When they need to, they will, they're just another legacy carrier. When you lose money continuiously, you will be just another Obama statistic.

and I appreciate that our management does think in human terms and has been running fat for a while now-

I agree, your management team is one of the best, but it's still not Herb's airline. Get used to that. Delta has been running about 1100 guys fat as well, and decided not to furlough. It has nothing to do with the human factor, just cost factor.

IF the decision is made to furlough me- I WANT guys working as hard as possible-picking up flying etc etc- make it a job worth coming back to. Don't sacrifice contractually-
I don't think I'd have this opinion at any other airline- and DEFINITELY not at UPS.

UPS is making tons of money. For them to furlough is just another way of management being management. Remember, they all went to the same school!
Good luck to us all.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

since southwest was brought up- I really don't think GK or CM hired me to furlough me- and I appreciate that our management does think in human terms and has been running fat for a while now-
IF the decision is made to furlough me- I WANT guys working as hard as possible-picking up flying etc etc- make it a job worth coming back to. Don't sacrifice contractually-
I don't think I'd have this opinion at any other airline- and DEFINITELY not at UPS

Ever work anywhere else? Pretty naive statement. Do you think anyone hired at any legacy carrier that SWA guys love to bash thought they were being hired by "XX" or "XX" so they could be furloughed?

And your "what if" statement about you'd be o.k. on the street while dudes continued to pick up extra flying is pretty funny too. Sounds good now, but ask someone who really has been furloughed, or still is, what their thoughts are.

And not picking up EF and VJA is "sacrificing contractually"? GMAFB! Flying 100% of your line sure beats 0% that guys on the street make. That statement alone demonstrated that same group at SWA as anywhere else. If nobody picked up extra then flights get uncovered for crew availability thus mgt ulimately is forced to recall furloughed pilots. Pretty simple concept, but like I posted earlier, solidarity is short lived. Sure we picked up COBRA for furloughed guys at DL, but overtime flying was in full force. Would be the same at SWA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

since southwest was brought up- I really don't think GK or CM hired me to furlough me- and I appreciate that our management does think in human terms and has been running fat for a while now-
IF the decision is made to furlough me- I WANT guys working as hard as possible-picking up flying etc etc- make it a job worth coming back to. Don't sacrifice contractually-
I don't think I'd have this opinion at any other airline- and DEFINITELY not at UPS.

What's been your management's position on providing a pension plan to it's employees? Your a loyal union member and liberal...Don't you find that in conflict with your beliefs?

 

[ArtVandalay]

Bad news for the UPS pilots out there - sorry to hear about it.

One person you can also thank is Barry Hussein Obama (aka "the Socialist") and his proposed tax on interantional/multinational profits. That sure won't help companies with significant international exposure like UPS and Fedex. That will definitely impact the bottom line. Thanks to everyone on these boards who voted him into office... You are also partly responsible for the pace of the super-slow economic turnaround that is killing jobs. Sorry to get political but it's the truth. And no, Palin would also be a terrible President. It's very, very simple: we need a fiscal conservative at the helm.

Good luck to all the UPS pilots impacted - hope you get your jobs back soon.

Yeah, its all Obama's fault. You had your fiscal conservative for 8 years and look what happened. And its funny you say its his fault for a slow turnaround, what about the freakin mess bush got us into in the first place you moron.

 

[waveflyer]

Scope- you're equating Jon Stewart with hundreds of people that decided the stimulus was what we had to do. What does that have to do with the Daily Show?
Make no mistake- republicans only bailed on the stimulus b/c they knew it would pass without them. They then got all the benefits for their constituency, avoided the depression they would have caused, and can still run their campaigns on the false idea that they are against, and voted against, a stimulus that is universally hated. Great politics, but not responsible on any level. If the GOP were in power- that stimulus would have still happened.
Do you have any idea at all what socialism is? It's an academic term that describes many of the programs that the right fights to keep, but is now being used as a boogie man. Is england a socialist country? is canada? the problem with socialist countries hasn't been their social programs= it's the dictators in power and how they implement their policies to keep that power.
Again- what's that got to do with UPS 'trying' to furlough?
Are you trying to make an argument that one should not watch a multitude of news sources? One should NOT get info from as many sources as possible? Maybe even it's more important to get news and opinion from those you disagree with so as to better understand other viewpoints?
Let's see -- the rest- someone who doesn't work at WN trashing it- original.
irrelevant obama digs... ok... next
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Ben Dover- 4th airline - nice try. Been furloughed. Again, at another airline- i doubt i'd have this opinion- but at swa- i really think everyone would be working to get me back- this includes the pilots being as efficient as possible. Crazy when a liberal has to defend capitalism. I knew the risk of having my seniority start over- and ive actually practiced responsibility (you know, instead of just the rhetoric spilled out by conservatives who use it as a punchline?) by filling my coffers, unloading my debt, and coming up with a plan if i am furloughed- SWA by all accounts isn't taking advantage of it's employees- i have faith that money saved by a more efficient flight ops would be well spent towards a more solvent and competitive airline- That's an unusual thing in the airlines, but should be rewarded with a good attitude if it doesnt work out for me in the short term.
(Gasp!) *(You mean you dont have to buy a bigger house and a BMW when you pass probation- i thought that was in the contract!!)
Joe- you're an idiot-
where and why would a pension equate to being a liberal? Southwest pilots retire with enough if they are smart about it. Pensions are a good thing, a valuable thing, and it was outright theft when they were stolen. Employees are not investors. Their pensions should not have been allowed to be jacked.
But here's the dig- IMO- everybody who keep showing up to work for airlines that stole millions- especially those who vote for GOP candidates who worked to make it legal to steal millions from pilots- you get what you deserve.
Any part of that unclear.

Good luck UPS- stand up for yourselves. You deserve everything you've earned.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Can we lighten things up a bit?

Who's pro choice?

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Yeah, its all Obama's fault. You had your fiscal conservative for 8 years and look what happened. And its funny you say its his fault for a slow turnaround, what about the freakin mess bush got us into in the first place you moron.

Actually Bush was never a fiscal conservative. Bush was a republican, big difference. Reagan was the last true fiscal conservative. I said it before and will say it again. All those in DC, republican and dumbocrat, share in this mess. Blaming Bush for everything just shows how brainwashed you are by the drive by media. Guess what, Bush is gone and things are still getting worse. Who's been in control in congress for the past several years?????? You know, the ones that make the laws in this land, and spend YOUR tax money.........

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Actually Bush was never a fiscal conservative. Bush was a republican, big difference. Reagan was the last true fiscal conservative. I said it before and will say it again. All those in DC, republican and dumbocrat, share in this mess. Blaming Bush for everything just shows how brainwashed you are by the drive by media. Guess what, Bush is gone and things are still getting worse. Who's been in control in congress for the past several years?????? You know, the ones that make the laws in this land, and spend YOUR tax money.........

You're trying to explain logic to a moron! It just simply won't work.

 

[chignutsak]

...Reagan was the last true fiscal conservative. I said it before and will say it again...

Yep. Sure he was.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Actually Bush was never a fiscal conservative. Bush was a republican, big difference. Reagan was the last true fiscal conservative. I said it before and will say it again. All those in DC, republican and dumbocrat, share in this mess. Blaming Bush for everything just shows how brainwashed you are by the drive by media. Guess what, Bush is gone and things are still getting worse. Who's been in control in congress for the past several years?????? You know, the ones that make the laws in this land, and spend YOUR tax money.........

Nobody is going to bash Reagan however to call him a true fiscal conservative is odd. He, like Obama, took over during a recession and like Obama drove up the national debt through deficit spending. The odd part is after the recession was ending he continued to drive up the debt. From 1980 to 1990 the national debt as percent of GDP continued to rise. This debt curve only went down during the Clinton years. Wouldn't that qualify him as a fiscal conservative?

 

[waveflyer]

Actually Bush was never a fiscal conservative. Bush was a republican, big difference. Reagan was the last true fiscal conservative. I said it before and will say it again. All those in DC, republican and dumbocrat, share in this mess. Blaming Bush for everything just shows how brainwashed you are by the drive by media. Guess what, Bush is gone and things are still getting worse. Who's been in control in congress for the past several years?????? You know, the ones that make the laws in this land, and spend YOUR tax money.........

So if both are at fault why aren't they redumblicans to go along with the dumbocrats?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

If the POTUS can only have two terms in office why can't we have the same for those in congress? I can see no reason why we can't have term limits for all our elected officials.

 

[waveflyer]

Look at California - term limits are good in theory only- do you know the level of corruption that occurs in California BECAUSE of term limits- by the time our politicians know how the government really works they leave office- staffers and lobbyists are there long term, know the system in and out, and cannot be voted out of office.

You may not like career politicians, but they DO have to be re-elected. If they were doing a bad job they can be voted out. The problem lies with us not keeping tabs on them well enough