UPS "Cancels" Furlough

[jetblue320]

Yeah the pilot group all chipped in to buy your routes and decided to put you guys on the street. Now I know where our union dues go. To put smaller outfits out of business.

That sounds like us.

Management had nothing to do with it.

Yep, just what I thought. Have a nice flight Mel

 

[H25BCPTN]

Are all the pilots at Jet Blue as sour as you. I would hate to fly with a pilot that feels that life owes him something and to be so blue all the time. Things happen for a reason and maybe if you looked hard enough you will see the purpose of what happen. After all my friends say Jet Blue is a great company to fly for, so let the past be and live in the present and have fun.


Fly Safe

 

[jetblue320]

Are all the pilots at Jet Blue as sour as you. I would hate to fly with a pilot that feels that life owes him something and to be so blue all the time. Things happen for a reason and maybe if you looked hard enough you will see the purpose of what happen. After all my friends say Jet Blue is a great company to fly for, so let the past be and live in the present and have fun.


Fly Safe

Sorry if it sounds as if I was sour. Fact is, I was, but you are 100% correct in saying that there was a reason that it happened that way, and I AM happy at JB (like you'd never know). In fact, in my case, the timing was perfect. I got thrown off of a burning ship into a rose garden. I don't have to look hard to see that.

The thing that irk'd me is that we (the CAC Boys) had worked there for 15+ years and then Big Brown came along and, in a nutshell, ended our career's there. I don't think that is hard to understand especially in these times. Plus, just 2 months ago I finally got a ruling from an Arbitrator (after more than 3 years) that the one years salary that UPS/CAC agreed by contract to pay us severed ones is not going to happen. But, thats another story.

But, to answer your other question: No, not many JB guys are sour. And, I am just sour this week because of my hearing news. I'll get over it.

End of thread.

Take care.

 

[Publishers]

airlines

The fact is that there were a number of airlines that had made the UPS system the "tightest ship in shipping industry" or whatever that catch phrase was.

Evergreen and Orion etc. Those people were for the most part given the choice of going with UPS and or staying where they were. Those that got the call from UPS were quite happy to have the job there.

The reason I posed those questions is that there are issues and reasons effecting this group that are singularly theirs. UPS is a unique company and even different than FEDEX. Those that put UPS in the airline category ignore the true nature of the beast and the fact is that their industry is a rather small group.

If anything, the industry group would include maybe FEDEX, Evergreen, Express.net, and those doing the Burlington and Emery flying.

Another thing that I always found interesting was that in the early years everyone is consumed with building time and in the later years, all seem concerned with how much time off they can garner rather than what is a fair amount of time on.

In case you have not been reading much lately Timerider, the inudustry seems more to be coming to you than the other way around.

 

[H25BCPTN]

I am glad that things worked out for you at Jet Blue. Have fun and fly safe.

 

[LGAPilot]

UPS has sent a letter to the Pilot Group telling us that it has no plans to furlough till at least the end of 2004

I've been swimming since July '01. A few people sent me e-mail regarding this announcement...thinking this might be a sign that UPS is gearing up to hire. That would be great, but what exactly is the implication of the above quote? Is UPS saying according to current staffing and planed A/C aquisitons/reductions and pilot retirements that it might again become necessary to furlough at the end of '04? If that's the case, it wouldn't seem likely that any hiring would be imminent for several years.

LGAPilot

 

[BrownTailGuy]

I wouldn't take it as UPS planning to furlough at the end of 2004. We are very short crrews right now. They needed to pick a time and they did. I think they are hoping we get a contract signed by that time and they can re-evaluate where we are as far as staffing is concerned.

They have yet to determine their aircraft retirement and acquisition schedule for next year. So we will not know what is happening till then.

There is a sense that some hiring will occur this year but how much and when is up in the air. If you don't see any hiring by say October I would venture to guess you won't see any until January at the least as "peak" starts in November and everyone is flying.

 

[hr2eternity]

I agree with Browntailguy. I don't think the company plans to fulough at the end of 04. Rather, I think they KNOW that it won't be necessary to do so for the for 4seeable future and they KNEW the only way the IPA would lift the "ban" on open time was to cough that up in a statement. My guess is you'll see new faces on the property by the fall and if not certainly after peak. Hang in there poolies.

 

[LGAPilot]

Hang in there poolies.

Been hangin'. Will continue to hang. If I'm in brown by Fall...I'll be the happiest guy this year.

If I'm in brown EVER...I'll be the happiest guy when it happens.

LGApilot

 

[Dav8tor]

Ditto

 

[armyjets]

Got my little brown water wings on!

 

[tim1wolf]

Have any poolies called HR lately?

 

[LGAPilot]

Have any poolies called HR lately?

I've been told numerous times calling HR is the kiss of death. I'm not willing to take that chance. This isn't SWA we're talking about. I'll keep waiting patiently.

LGAPilot

 

[Dav8tor]

Then, maybe someone at UPS already could make the call for us and report back. Hint...Hint...

 

[hr2eternity]

I'm afraid we would be met with the same issue. HR doesn't even know anything about hiring until its upon them so calling them wouldn't do any good. Not a very good answer I know, but I'm afraid patience will have to suffice. I think however, as I said before that you will see new faces at brown no later than after this years peak, like Jan/Feb. Good luck!! Hope to see you there.