(Unoffical) ASA Stike Vote ... yes or no

[probablecause]

yes, Yep, You Bet, Si, Oui, Ja, Sim, да, Etc...

 

[Tim47SIP]

What are you talking about?

You lied about BA being a leader in the PATCO strike, you are lying about "our side starting to drag out things on purpose"

Dood, he did not lie about it. BA was in a leadership position with PATCO. You are miss informed. JB has not lied about anything so far. Because we may not agree with him, does not mean he is a liar.

 

[D'Angelo]

Well, I am anti-union. In my previous career I was in management, and I've been threatened, bullied, and attacked by unions. I only am a part of the union because I am forced to pay dues, and if I have to pay dues, I'm darn sure going to have a vote.

Anyway, yes, you are right, leaving is similar to striking, but I will do so on my terms, and not because I am trying to send a message to anyone, but rather because I don't want to be here anymore. I signed on to this job knowing what the conditions of the contract were, and it would be hypocritical of me to strike or quit when I came in knowing what it would be like.

Props to you my friend! If the union truly wanted a democracy then they would give you a choice if you wanted to be in or not. They like running things like old russia or how Tony Soprano runs things in Jersey. Its either their way or the highway. If you actually dare think for yourself they just go ballistic. If you dont agree with what the majority says they want to use violence to try and scare you into thinking their way. Sorry thugs but this is the USA. There are a lot of people who pay dues because they are forced to not because they want to be in the union. Its either pay the dues or get fired. If the union was really that unified then why does membership need to be forced? If they are so confident why not give people a choice if they want to be in or not? Oh thats right they are protecting us from actually enjoying our jobs because we are all supposed to be avid management haters. Im all for letting whoever wants to be in a union be in one but why force everyone into it?

 

[ASADriver]

NO! Look around - things aren't that bad here.

 

[Bizjet]

You lied about BA being a leader in the PATCO strike, you are lying about "our side starting to drag out things on purpose"

Dood, he did not lie about it. BA was in a leadership position with PATCO. You are miss informed. JB has not lied about anything so far. Because we may not agree with him, does not mean he is a liar.

Dood, You've been had by Joe. Either he lied or didn't talk to former PATCO guys. There are still some of the PATCO guys at ASA. Make you own calls and ask. BA was just a controller and held no position in the Union. But who really cares anyway? Joe has crossed the line with his anti ALPA BS. Majority rules in a union and Joe will never grasp the obvious. That boy is one angry unit! I visualize him as a child lying on the floor of a toy store screaming as he has a death grip on on a new toy and his parents start asking observers of the tantrum if anyone knows where the rotten little kids parents are?

With that said I don't think Joe or anyone else should be silenced. They have the right to dissent. If we all held the same opinions there is no checks and balances. The Union and the Company need to be held accountable for their actions. Given the history here I will trust the Union to guard my six. The company should spend more time trying to get out of last place so that the employees aren't embarrassed to tell their freinds where they really work.

Come back in one piece. ASA will still be in last place.

My two typing fingers are sore so I'm outta here!

 

[goodto50meters]

By the way, I am willing to hang my job on the line in defense of anyone. Being anti-union is not the same as being against my colleagues. Unions just tend to have a thug mentality, and an anti-intellectual attitude, and I find it to be very distasteful. If I wanted to be a thug, I would move to East Point...

Thugs? Youre not serious right? Have you ever met Utley, Mohr, Newey, Zerb, Bob? These guys are far from being thugs man!

This isnt the 30's with bats and jimmie hats....although that might be fun

 

[goodto50meters]

You lied about BA being a leader in the PATCO strike, you are lying about "our side starting to drag out things on purpose"

Dood, he did not lie about it. BA was in a leadership position with PATCO. You are miss informed. JB has not lied about anything so far. Because we may not agree with him, does not mean he is a liar.

Check your facts and your source, BA was not a PATCO leader, he was an avid strike supporter but not an officer or anything.

The "dragging things out on purpose" is not true, its preposterous.

Plus the PATCO strike was 25 years ago, Hoser is right, what does it have to do with ASA in 2006?

You are right that he is entitled to disagree all he wants, he is not entitled to make up things to support his agenda whatever that is. My guess is it supports RJDC's mission to rape ALPA financially by attempting to make it look bad.....I just finished watching an Oliver Stone flick

 

["GO AROUND"]

Props to you my friend!

If you talked like that on the flight deck I'd slap the headsets off your head.

If the union truly wanted a democracy then they would give you a choice if you wanted to be in or not.

They do dumba$$. But you pay the dues cause you still live under the contract that the union negotiated.

They like running things like old russia or how Tony Soprano runs things in Jersey. Its either their way or the highway. If you actually dare think for yourself they just go ballistic. If you dont agree with what the majority says they want to use violence to try and scare you into thinking their way. Sorry thugs but this is the USA.

Get off the crack pipe! Yeah, its like that, idiot.

There are a lot of people who pay dues because they are forced to not because they want to be in the union. Its either pay the dues or get fired.

Noone forced you to apply for an take a job at a union airline. It was there before you and it will be there after you. Go fly corporate or a non union airline.

If the union was really that unified then why does membership need to be forced? If they are so confident why not give people a choice if they want to be in or not? Oh thats right they are protecting us from actually enjoying our jobs because we are all supposed to be avid management haters. Im all for letting whoever wants to be in a union be in one but why force everyone into it?

Noone tells me to hate managment, they did that by themselves. I used to have respect for our managment 5 years ago. Again the union was voted in before you and you are benifiting from all the union has done in past and present negotiations, grievances, etc... But things would be better without our union? I told you to put the crack pipe down!

You don't want to be in a union but you want to benifit from all the good things that the union has brought to your airline without paying for those benifits. That's why you pay dues even though you're not a member.

D'Angelo, don't you have to be blowing Fred or something? You never answered if you got your new nametag or not. "Fred's Bit*h" Right?

F*ck Off, allright!!!

 

[OCP]

Its intereresting reading about how its not that bad and "I knew what I was getting into when I took the job" Well you should have known that when you took that job it meant you were taking a UNION job. If you dislike the union so much why did you take a job where you "knew" a union existed? So for all those who say that "you knew what you were getting into when you took the job" I say that right back at you. Like it or not you took a job in a unionized labor group. Yes the union speaks for the majority. Thats just how it works.

 

[white knuckle]

Amen!

 

[GeekMaster]

A BIG YES !!!

This issue isn't the same as other Airlines. We are NOT TRYING TO SAVE OUR AIRLINE. They are already profitable. They are simply trying to pad their bottom line at our expense.

Therefore.....those failing to support our cause are already scabs.

 

[Tomct]

People like Joe and ASAidot make me sick! You are just the type of people that mgmnt loves! Nothing but Kool aid drinkers and are just happy to be part of the Assss Team! You guys need a new vision....oh wait, I just ran my cd over with my truck, but I would gladly piss on it and send it to you two JackAsses! Grow a Pair and stand up! Definate YESSSSS for me!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Its intereresting reading about how its not that bad and "I knew what I was getting into when I took the job" Well you should have known that when you took that job it meant you were taking a UNION job. If you dislike the union so much why did you take a job where you "knew" a union existed? So for all those who say that "you knew what you were getting into when you took the job" I say that right back at you. Like it or not you took a job in a unionized labor group. Yes the union speaks for the majority. Thats just how it works.

Sure, I knew a union was here, and I am a member, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. In fact, every chance I get I will oppose them on issues I disagree with.

Regarding the reason we pay, that "you reap the benefits, so you must pay" bull crap is rediculous. That assumes that the union actually helps us, which is not necessarily true. Maybe they foster an anti-company attitude among the pilots, which leads the company to foster an anti-crew attitude. The animosity currently between the groups is why we don't have a contract settled, and I fault both the union and the company for that.

I think we would be better off without the union. Unions had their place 100 years ago. Pilots should be more professional, and less blue collar.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

People like Joe and ASAidot make me sick! You are just the type of people that mgmnt loves! Nothing but Kool aid drinkers and are just happy to be part of the Assss Team! You guys need a new vision....oh wait, I just ran my cd over with my truck, but I would gladly piss on it and send it to you two JackAsses! Grow a Pair and stand up! Definate YESSSSS for me!

I have a pair already, as demonstrated by my not being a follower of @ssholes like you. You're only happy with a union because you aren't man enough to think and act for yourself. You need to pay an exorbitant percentage of your salary to some other guy so he can think for you, and tell your company how you feel... Hell, pay me, and I'll tell them for you.

 

[puddlejumper101]

yes vote for me...and last i checked I was not a thug...just a line pilot not buying management's crap these days. I don't know if what the union says is true or not...but management's memos are quite distorted. No value to them whatsoever...just a scare tactic which is the only way ASA management knows how to lead...

 

[OCP]

Sure, I knew a union was here, and I am a member, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. In fact, every chance I get I will oppose them on issues I disagree with.

Regarding the reason we pay, that "you reap the benefits, so you must pay" bull crap is rediculous. That assumes that the union actually helps us, which is not necessarily true. Maybe they foster an anti-company attitude among the pilots, which leads the company to foster an anti-crew attitude. The animosity currently between the groups is why we don't have a contract settled, and I fault both the union and the company for that.

I think we would be better off without the union. Unions had their place 100 years ago. Pilots should be more professional, and less blue collar.

Tell me then... What do you enjoy about our current contract? No sarcasm here I really want to know what you like about what you have right now.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Tell me then... What do you enjoy about our current contract? No sarcasm here I really want to know what you like about what you have right now.

To be sure, I want more. I can't really tell you what I like, but I can tell you what I don't like. The thing is, I don't disagree that we need to work toward an agreement with the management, I just don't think striking is the answer.

Unfortunately, I think our positions are too deeply entrenched to change. We are committed to being adversarial now, and we have to see where this takes us.

I don't like getting extended for an overnight after a 3 day and 6.9 hrs on the last day.

I don't like that we don't have a commuter policy.

I want pref bidding because it will make a more efficient system.

I think that a day off is a day off. If scheduling calls, I shouldn't have to come in unless I choose to.

I think you guys assume that because I'm anti-union I must be happy with the company...not so.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

ASA Aviator

You continue to be a perfect example of what is wrong with this industry. You talk about pilots needing to think for themselves and not rely on a union to do their thinking for them. So you think management is going to give a rats ass about what Mr. ASA Aviator thinks about work rules, pay rates, scheduling, wrongful termination, loss of license, ect??? (I could go on but you get the point). No, if you voiced a concern or a complaint, you would simply be fired and one of these eager applicants just chomping at the bit to fly a jet would step right up to replace you. That’s why it’s called collective bargaining. A single pilot means absolutely NOTHING to management and they don’t care if you’re freaking Chuck Yeager. Only when the pilot group as a whole (yep, say it with me, the pilot UNION) steps up and tells the company that they either have to play nice or else does your individual concern get addressed. Unfortunately, ALPA is made up of people, and people make mistakes so ALPA isn’t going to be perfect but it’s what we’ve got.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but as much as you might like to think you are, you are NOT white collar, sorry to have to break you the bad news. You are a highly trained but also easily replaced hourly worker. Here’s another little piece of info for you… The current administration and economy doesn’t give a squirt of piss about the worker. It’s all about the bottom line and if the companies make money, then everyone’s happy, if you happen to be a shareholder. If you happen to be an employee, then an increase in pay hurts the bottom line and is, therefore, a bad thing. That’s the down and dirty economics of this industry. Before anyone starts in on me being a socialist or a left wing liberal wacko, no, I’m actually an independent who happens to think that when the working middle class makes more money, they spend more money, the businesses sell more, the bottom line improves and then everyone wins.

I’ll tell you what, why don’t you as an individual walk over to the GO and tell them what you think needs to be improved with this company. After all, you did say that you can think and speak for yourself. Just don’t forget to update your resume’ before you do, because you’ll be job hunting shortly thereafter.

 

[OCP]

I ask this question because every "good" thing we have was fought for and won with the union.
You say strike is not the answer, yet your not really offering any real path for achieving what you want. This company will NEVER give you things that make your life better, that is why a union was brought in. Skywest is a completely different corperate culture, though they too are now feeling the strain.
We (the union representing the pilots) have tried to bargan in good faith with ASA. Over a year doing that and nothing happened. We went to the next step, and now with that not working almost 3.5 years later we are tired of ASA not trying to move foward.
Granted that it seems that things are actually progressing now, and if it keeps going at this pace then a strike will not have to happen.
But after trying to talk for almost 3.5 years and not getting anywhere, we use the only power we have left.
NONE of us want to strike. But most of us are willing because we are tired of going no where.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Very well said, OCP.