(Unoffical) ASA Stike Vote ... yes or no

[Jungle Prop]

Yes Yes Yes

 

[goahead]

Okay disregard the three pussies that can't figure out how to do a visual w/o the app plate. It an overwhelming yes vote for everyone except management.

ANYWAY next topic.....

 

[HoserASA]

YES!
There, I cancelled out JB's no vote!


Hoser​

 

[ohplease!]

No. Someone has to have some sense around here.

Its a strike VOTE, idiot. It doesn't mean you want to or we're going to. Learn the difference junior.

 

[ohplease!]

I think Joe Merchant might be the previousely BANNED from flight info LEC treasurer. AKA: INCLUSIVESCOPE


I VOTE YES...

and you're still the biggest dicckhead here. Have a heart attack would ya'?!? dork

 

["GO AROUND"]

The big question is what the mediator is going to do if we come to an impass. He could park us and even with a 98-99% approval for a strike we would have to do it from the flight deck. If it does I'm in.

IMHO, I don't see it coming to that. I think improvements have and are being made with the changes in mngmnt. I think there is no trust between the two sides and that is a huge obstacle to overcome.

We shall see.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Its a strike VOTE, idiot. It doesn't mean you want to or we're going to. Learn the difference junior.

The problem is that if you vote for a strike, there isn't a checkbox for "I'm voting for a strike to send a message, but I don't really want to strike." A vote for it, means that you are willing to strike. I am not, so I won't vote for it.

By the way, the democrats learned this lesson too. They wanted to vote for a war with Iraq to send Saddam a message, not actually go to war. But, once they had authorized it, it was really hard to say they didn't intend to go to war. Same thing with the strike vote. I won't vote to send management a message when I don't really want a strike.

I understand the difference. I think it is you that don't understand the full implications of the strike vote, Junior.

 

[JustaNumber]

Let me think for a minute...okay, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will NOT take whatever management gives me. I'm NOT just happy to have a flying job. I will quit if things get worse, and thats why you miss the point.

If you quit as an individual, nobody notices or cares, and nothing changes. If you "quit" as a group with 1700 other pilots, your concerns are guaranteed to be noted. Do you think a company that just shelled out hundreds of millions for a company known to be in labor negotiations would shut the doors over refusing a small increase in quality of life for the employees?

My point is that voting on a strike will do no good. (Actually having one would just put the company under, so that certainly doesn't help either.) I think it will make things more adversarial, and it will hurt the negotiation process, and make management even more likely to do things we don't want just to piss us off.

I could be mistaken, but I believe I read somewhere that 90% of ALPA contracts are signed during the 30-day-cooling-off-period AFTER A STRIKE VOTE HAS BEEN VOTED ON. It seems this tactic is necessary to light a fire under both sides to get serious about agreeing to a contract.

I think the best way to get better results is to go to management not as an adversary, but as a partner.

You mean, like using Interest Based Bargaining? Been there, done that, lets try something else now. By the way, did I mention, HELL YES!!!?

 

[Plug]

ASA Aviator,

You seem to contradict yourself. You say you won't vote Yes but then say that if things get worse that you'll leave. What do you think a strike is? Stck up for yourself and be consistent. Either your in or your not. If your not, so be it, however, most of us are willing to put our asses on the line for ya.

JB,

Grow up! How those minutes coming along?

 

[Plug]

Delta would be done--we are in the best position then we will ever been in--it will take weeks for someone to take our flights 500 flights aday....Delta would be done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a very true statement. Delta is in a very fragile state and we have a monopoly for DCI in their only profitable hub.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

ASA Aviator,

You seem to contradict yourself. You say you won't vote Yes but then say that if things get worse that you'll leave. What do you think a strike is? Stck up for yourself and be consistent. Either your in or your not. If your not, so be it, however, most of us are willing to put our asses on the line for ya.

JB,

Grow up! How those minutes coming along?

Well, I am anti-union. In my previous career I was in management, and I've been threatened, bullied, and attacked by unions. I only am a part of the union because I am forced to pay dues, and if I have to pay dues, I'm darn sure going to have a vote.

Anyway, yes, you are right, leaving is similar to striking, but I will do so on my terms, and not because I am trying to send a message to anyone, but rather because I don't want to be here anymore. I signed on to this job knowing what the conditions of the contract were, and it would be hypocritical of me to strike or quit when I came in knowing what it would be like.

 

[ASApuppy]

The Pup is in with a YES. When do I get the real ballot?

ps. ASA Aviator sounds a lot like "avoiceof reason", which sounds a lot like management. Step away from the computer Scott!!!!

 

[701EV]

Hey Plug,

Which mgmt puke do you think is ASA_Avatior? I don't think its JB.

701EV

 

[ASA_Aviator]

By the way, I am willing to hang my job on the line in defense of anyone. Being anti-union is not the same as being against my colleagues. Unions just tend to have a thug mentality, and an anti-intellectual attitude, and I find it to be very distasteful. If I wanted to be a thug, I would move to East Point...

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Hey Plug,

Which mgmt puke do you think is ASA_Avatior? I don't think its JB.

701EV

Funny, to disagree with you guys means I must be management... Far from it.

 

[JustaNumber]

By the way, I am willing to hang my job on the line in defense of anyone. Being anti-union is not the same as being against my colleagues. Unions just tend to have a thug mentality, and an anti-intellectual attitude, and I find it to be very distasteful. If I wanted to be a thug, I would move to East Point...

I agree that the word "union" in this country often connotes images of the thug mentality that you refer to. But I also believe that your union is what you make it. A union is simply that, a bunch of workers getting together in a "union" to work together for some mutual cause. The union guys in East Point or wherever you talk about have that mentality in their daily lives, and it shows in how they conduct themselves in their union. Pilots, on the other hand, tend to be much more intellectual, and for the most part, I am proud of the way our local MEC leadership (with one or two exceptions) have shown themselves to be intellectually superior and more intellectually honest than management in almost every interaction. I don't think pilots will ever change the image of unions, but we can still be proud of the way we conduct ourselves.

 

[socony_air]

Another Yes.... There's no chance I'll do this job for a dime less.... Already looking into non-aviation options; so far, to leave would mean weekends off & a pay raise in 6 months.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I agree that the word "union" in this country often connotes images of the thug mentality that you refer to. But I also believe that your union is what you make it. A union is simply that, a bunch of workers getting together in a "union" to work together for some mutual cause. The union guys in East Point or wherever you talk about have that mentality in their daily lives, and it shows in how they conduct themselves in their union. Pilots, on the other hand, tend to be much more intellectual, and for the most part, I am proud of the way our local MEC leadership (with one or two exceptions) have shown themselves to be intellectually superior and more intellectually honest than management in almost every interaction. I don't think pilots will ever change the image of unions, but we can still be proud of the way we conduct ourselves.

I hope you are right. My opinion is somewhat skewed, I admit. Once, I came across a pilot scab list, and at the top was the following paragraph, and it certainly reeks of the typical union mentality... I've attached it below. When people quit spouting rhetoric like this, I'll be happy about being in the union.


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a SCAB. A SCAB is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water-logged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When a SCAB comes down the street, men turn their back and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out. No man has a right to SCAB as long as there is a pool of water deep enough to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a SCAB. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A SCAB HASN’T!"[/FONT]

 

[Muff-N-Man]

Confirmative (Yes).

 

[pudnocker]

Yep! and Yes!