United to review new pilot applications starting next week

[xjhawk]

If UNICAL management was smart, they'd get off the dime in negotiations, or at least come up with a MOU to improve the first year pay and insurance situation. They way it is, they're not going to get any experienced pilots to apply. It says something when a company is lowering its standards at the beginning of a hiring wave.

They lower the mins initially so they can cherry pick certain people who they want to take. They will not have a shortage. I was at the job fair and there was what-600-700 people there all for 200-300 United positions and under 100 US Airways positions. And that was just the job fair. While there, with almost 6,000 total and almost 2,000 PIC turbine I was told I would not be competitive for the first wave of hiring and maybe I could land a United job in two years. The situation is bleak enough at enough regionals that a lot of very qualified people are looking to move on. Taking crappy pay and QOL on the short term is way better than dealing with a life at the regionals.

Oh and one more thing-ALPA-. I applaud the work on scope. Flying needs to be at the majors. But this getting rid of the regional planes before the "mass" hiring begins is crappy. Oh and another thing-I like how Delta's ALPA just allows their company to take ALPA flown planes to be given to non ALPA regionals. Why am I paying dues again?

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Who is reviewing the applications the Continental side, the United side or combination?

 

[IAHERJ]

Combination.

 

[labbats]

11+ years at ASA - 4000 hr. CRJ PIC - 11 letters of rec. from current CPOs, past people I flew with that are now @ CAL & a prior capt who is now FAA, nothing bad at all in my history - had my app in since 2007... What else do I need to do to get into the short stack so I can get a call soon?

Sounds like if anyone gets the call it would be you. Just wait a week and see what happens.

 

[NuGuy]

First year pay of $31 or $32 according to WFFF.com. Why does every airline make first year pay seem like a form of hazing????? Plus the added benefit of no health insurance for 6 months here.

Not every airline. DAL starts at $61/hr and full medical from day one.

Nu

 

[Flopgut]

If UNICAL management was smart, they'd get off the dime in negotiations, or at least come up with a MOU to improve the first year pay and insurance situation. They way it is, they're not going to get any experienced pilots to apply. It says something when a company is lowering its standards at the beginning of a hiring wave.

First year pay and lack of insurance is a bad thing, yes. But it's not the only pitfall at the new United. I would not advise anyone take the job until the contract is done. L-UAL outnumber L-CAL and that means scope is probably going to get relaxed even more than it is already. It's very unfortunate, but L-UAL is worried about their side shrinking and will probably vote yes on anything so they can move on to SLI and game their longevity. They'll reason that it can be made up on the next contract, but mgt will just roll out another scenario where the L-UAL concessionists feel squeezed, and they'll vote away more again.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Thanks for the info IAHERJ.

 

[eaglesview]

First year pay and lack of insurance is a bad thing, yes. But it's not the only pitfall at the new United. I would not advise anyone take the job until the contract is done. L-UAL outnumber L-CAL and that means scope is probably going to get relaxed even more than it is already. It's very unfortunate, but L-UAL is worried about their side shrinking and will probably vote yes on anything so they can move on to SLI and game their longevity. They'll reason that it can be made up on the next contract, but mgt will just roll out another scenario where the L-UAL concessionists feel squeezed, and they'll vote away more again.

In all seriousness, do you believe the things you say or do you just like to stir things up. I have no problem if it's the latter. I believe if you find a bees nest shove a stick up there and stir. For your sake I hope it's not the first. If it is you must have a picture of eeyore on your flight kit.

 

[Flopgut]

Its what is being said in ORD.

 

[eaglesview]

I am based in ORD and have been for 21 years.....never heard any of this.

 

[Flopgut]

I sent you a PM.

Yes. I do believe what I say. Probably sounds slanted the way I write it.

Idk what you've heard, but I'm thinking this is going to need to be voted down.

 

[waterskier]

Can't believe that scope would be relaxed at all. I was hoping that u guys would follow the trend that DAL started with their tightening of scope. Everything I have heard from the outside is that tighter scope is issue number 1.

 

[eaglesview]

Depends on your perspective. I believe from a UAL perspective there will be tighter scope.

 

[pilotyip]

How long before we see the pool posts, with guys taking about being "In the deep end", "treading water", and "moving to the shallow end". Be just like the good ole days on FI in 2000

 

[Chairman]

First year pay and lack of insurance is a bad thing, yes. But it's not the only pitfall at the new United. I would not advise anyone take the job until the contract is done. L-UAL outnumber L-CAL and that means scope is probably going to get relaxed even more than it is already. It's very unfortunate, but L-UAL is worried about their side shrinking and will probably vote yes on anything so they can move on to SLI and game their longevity. They'll reason that it can be made up on the next contract, but mgt will just roll out another scenario where the L-UAL concessionists feel squeezed, and they'll vote away more again.

To be clear the lack of insurance is a CAL thing not UAL thing. All UAL new hires always had insurance and many had plans 100% paid for by UAL. All newhires are hired under the CAL contract until we get this messed cleaned up.

 

[Flopgut]

I'll not vote on anything that doesn't get the insurance deal fixed that CAL ALPA caused. You UAL guys do your part to get this scope disaster fixed that you caused. K? If you hadn't bent over on scope there wouldn't be any furloughed UAL pilots subjected to the insurance problem...

 

[IAHERJ]

I'll not vote on anything that doesn't get the insurance deal fixed that CAL ALPA caused. You UAL guys do your part to get this scope disaster fixed that you caused. K? If you hadn't bent over on scope there wouldn't be any furloughed UAL pilots subjected to the insurance problem...

Amen...

 

[eaglesview]

I'll not vote on anything that doesn't get the insurance deal fixed that CAL ALPA caused. You UAL guys do your part to get this scope disaster fixed that you caused. K? If you hadn't bent over on scope there wouldn't be any furloughed UAL pilots subjected to the insurance problem...

Might depend on how much collateral we had to use to fix the non existant work rules you CAL had K? R.N.

 

[eaglesview]

You got to love folks on either side that do nothing but point fingers like FG. Anyone that thinks either side had a good contract is high.

UAL ALPA had crap scope. CAL ALPA had no work rules and the fore mentioned insurance crap. ALL OF THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY. Flops, UAL ALPA cannot fix the scope issue no more than CAL can fix the work rules crap. We have a JOINT negotiating commitee. IAHERJ do not fall for inflammatory remarks that at this point are irrelevent. For the record my post above was just a jab at flops.

Now we, all of us, are going to have to wait until we see the contract, read it and vote on it. Why some folks think that anything else is appropriate is beyond me.

 

[ATRCA]

You got to love folks on either side that do nothing but point fingers like FG. Anyone that thinks either side had a good contract is high.

UAL ALPA had crap scope. CAL ALPA had no work rules and the fore mentioned insurance crap. ALL OF THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY. Flops, UAL ALPA cannot fix the scope issue no more than CAL can fix the work rules crap. We have a JOINT negotiating commitee. IAHERJ do not fall for inflammatory remarks that at this point are irrelevent. For the record my post above was just a jab at flops.

Now we, all of us, are going to have to wait until we see the contract, read it and vote on it. Why some folks think that anything else is appropriate is beyond me.

This!

 

[Flyarcticcat]

So when is the magic date that you get to see said contract?

 

[Flopgut]

Might depend on how much collateral we had to use to fix the non existant work rules you CAL had K? R.N.

Huh? My non-existant L-CAL work rules haven't cross mingled to your side of the house. But your non-existant 50+ jet scope sure as hell came crashing down on my side. Yeah, there have been two big bids at CAL and it looks like growth to you guys. That is the trajectory we were on before the merger and before age 65. It would be a lot bigger if your scope had not become our problem. So why don't you guys take responsibility for the first and most immediate transgression in this newly merged relationship? I'd like to see that bare out in the contract or SLI, but I'd settle for simply seeing L-UAL get tough and vote NO if it's not what we ALL need. Just saying "let's wait and see" is not an option for the L-CAL side.

 

[eaglesview]

Huh? My non-existant L-CAL work rules haven't cross mingled to your side of the house. But your non-existant 50+ jet scope sure as hell came crashing down on my side. Yeah, there have been two big bids at CAL and it looks like growth to you guys. That is the trajectory we were on before the merger and before age 65. It would be a lot bigger if your scope had not become our problem. So why don't you guys take responsibility for the first and most immediate transgression in this newly merged relationship? I'd like to see that bare out in the contract or SLI, but I'd settle for simply seeing L-UAL get tough and vote NO if it's not what we ALL need. Just saying "let's wait and see" is not an option for the L-CAL side.

Your work rules and our scope are our(all of us) problem. Everything is joint. Why don't WE ALL wait and see what the contract says before we thump our chests. You must be a treat to sit next to for a multi day trip. What a jerk. That was you in IAH.

 

[densoo]

Update from a sCAL CP
October 7

Pilot Hiring: As most of you have heard, we will being hiring pilots “off the street” in the near future. We only expect to hire a small number (about 40) this year and then pick up at a very aggressive rate toward the end of the first quarter next year. That will be when the big hiring cycle will kick in The reason that we only need that small amount of pilots to fill the bid, is because we still have s-UAL pilots who have bypassed earlier recalls and now are eligible for employment and also, there is a group of pilots who we interviewed and planned to hire last cycle who will be the first to come back. So there is already a pool of pilots to draw from before taking from the street. In the meantime, many of you are asking about recommending friends and family. The first thing you need to do is have them fill out an application at Airlineapps.com. Have them list you as a reference and you will be sent an email to respond to. If you feel strongly enough about your candidate, come and see you Assistant Chief pilot with a resume and a reason you think your candidate deserves special attention. We will have a very limited number of pilots we can recommend for special treatment. Keep in that there are 2,000 pilots in EWR alone. If each one of you recommends just one, that is 50 times as many slots than we have for the entire airline.

 

[Flopgut]

Your work rules and our scope are our(all of us) problem. Everything is joint. Why don't WE ALL wait and see what the contract says before we thump our chests. You must be a treat to sit next to for a multi day trip. What a jerk. That was you in IAH.

I'm not going to have to read the TA to know I won't be as happy with it as you. Believe me, if you were bringing your old Contract 2000 to the party? I would be appropriately respectful. You are not. Factor that into the equation. How much enthusiasm would you have if you were me?

 

[Nevets]

I don't know if I have an issue with skywest being non union. If their working conditions and pay are in line with like carriers then my hats off to their management. In contrast I have an issue with carriers like VA who are non union and are NOT in line with the rest of the industry. I would like to see a union there.

ALPA is so much more than having a contract. Most ALPA pilots don't even realize that so it it kind of hard to expect non union Skywest pilots to realize it as well. But have you ever heard of anyone one of them being grateful for things like ASAP, FFDO, KCM, TCAS, etc? And that's just on the safety stuff.

 

[eaglesview]

I'm not going to have to read the TA to know I won't be as happy with it as you. Believe me, if you were bringing your old Contract 2000 to the party? I would be appropriately respectful. You are not. Factor that into the equation. How much enthusiasm would you have if you were me?

Says it all. You are a psychic and a fortune teller. You're in the wrong business, you should be picking winning lottery numbers.

 

[eaglesview]

ALPA is so much more than having a contract. Most ALPA pilots don't even realize that so it it kind of hard to expect non union Skywest pilots to realize it as well. But have you ever heard of anyone one of them being grateful for things like ASAP, FFDO, KCM, TCAS, etc? And that's just on the safety stuff.

You make some valid points.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Has United (Continental Side) started calling new pilot applicants or are they still reviewing pilot applications?

 

[list2002]

Just had a PC this monday, Oct 8, they said they have not so far. When I pressed they said they are looking at apps, but no interviews yet. Wouldn't give me more info then that. Gotta be soon though.