United to review new pilot applications starting next week

[eaglesview]

Because you were personally going to feed their families and pay for medical expenses and such while they were looking for a new job. Continental violated your scope not the pilots at Skywest.

 

[Flopgut]

The Skywest pilots who willing bid Houston were sending a clear message that they intended to violate our lawful scope. It was not much different than crossing a picket line. You don't have to interact with them too much to figure out it wouldn't have mattered to them if it was a picket line.

Don't act like your Eastern days matter and our problems don't. Getting real sick of your generation's crap.

 

[Chairman]

The Skywest pilots who willing bid Houston were sending a clear message that they intended to violate our lawful scope. It was not much different than crossing a picket line. You don't have to interact with them too much to figure out it wouldn't have mattered to them if it was a picket line.

Don't act like your Eastern days matter and our problems don't. Getting real sick of your generation's crap.

Not even close to crossing a picket line. Amazing the guys who expect someone else to stand up "Saying Skywest pilots should refuse to fly the trips" but yet have no problem going to work and watching your scope get tossed out. Have some balls and a back bone and don't ask some regional pilot to do your fighting.

 

[Flopgut]

For purposes of this thread topic let me be clear: I don't want any non-union pilots working here as a first choice.

Can we not agree on that?!

 

[eaglesview]

The Skywest pilots who willing bid Houston were sending a clear message that they intended to violate our lawful scope. It was not much different than crossing a picket line. You don't have to interact with them too much to figure out it wouldn't have mattered to them if it was a picket line.

Don't act like your Eastern days matter and our problems don't. Getting real sick of your generation's crap.

You are such an idiot I don't know if you are actually an airline pilot. Willing to bid??? What if none of them were "willing to bid.' Guess what, there would be junior pilots assigned the flying. And then, in your typical fashion, you make crap up. You are such a worldly human being that you can use your spider sense to alert you that this guy would wouldn't care if there was a picket line. UNBELIEVABLE. I doubt you have ever walked a picket line yourself and therefore have no clue what you are saying.

FYI for the 100th time, try to listen this time, I have no issue with the CO of today. My Eastern experience, concerning the CO pilots, occurred 23 years ago.

 

[eaglesview]

For purposes of this thread topic let me be clear: I don't want any non-union pilots working here as a first choice.

Can we not agree on that?!

Sorry Military guys, no UCH for you cause FG says no.

 

[Chairman]

For purposes of this thread topic let me be clear: I don't want any non-union pilots working here as a first choice.

Can we not agree on that?!

Good lets get those guys willing to fly max hours and cAPTAINS willing to fly in the right seat when guys were on the street. Sounds like a great bunch of guys. You will be thankful that United Pilots held on to some from of work rules in BK.

 

[Flopgut]

You are such an idiot I don't know if you are actually an airline pilot. Willing to bid??? What if none of them were "willing to bid.' Guess what, there would be junior pilots assigned the flying. And then, in your typical fashion, you make crap up. You are such a worldly human being that you can use your spider sense to alert you that this guy would wouldn't care if there was a picket line. UNBELIEVABLE. I doubt you have ever walked a picket line yourself and therefore have no clue what you are saying.

FYI for the 100th time, try to listen this time, I have no issue with the CO of today. My Eastern experience, concerning the CO pilots, occurred 23 years ago.

They should not have bid it [IAH]!!! It should have been awarded in reverse seniority order. Skywest pilots should have a union and and a contract that states they don't have to do any flying that violates another pilot groups' contract. They don't. They have voted down a union 3 times; That constitutes chronic failure. Additionally, these pilots agreed to fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat pay in the face of United's BK for "growth". You don't have a problem with that?!

You were elevated in the hiring pool at UAL because you were an Eastern striker [solid union pilot]. I think that was good and is the kind of thing that should be continued. If a Skywest pilot wants to be here, and a UAL pilot can vouch for their feeling on working in a union, then great! Let's get them on board. I want to work with pilots who want to toe the line and be reliable union members. What's your problem with that?

 

[Flopgut]

You will be thankful that United Pilots held on to some from of work rules in BK.

Good! Because you sure as hell didn't hold onto anything else. Thanks for this 70 seat airplane disease pal. You talk about CAs in the right seat and guys flying max hours? That is nothing compared scope.

 

[Flopgut]

Because you were personally going to feed their families and pay for medical expenses and such while they were looking for a new job.

UH, YES! Absolutely. Everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. All they would have had to do was be ALPA. BE IN A UNION! I've never voted no on an assessment, and I sure as hell wouldn't have said no to an assessment for Skywest pilots if they had refused to violate my scope. I don't care if it was 25% of my pay. I don't care if we paid every one of them a full paycheck to stay home. It would have been worth every penny.

Did you not go on strike? Did you not take strike pay? Where pray tell did you think those dollars came from?! You make a mockery of the whole union premise (and ur a striker?!) and then you call me an idiot? Unbelievable.

 

[eaglesview]

They should not have bid it [IAH]!!! It should have been awarded in reverse seniority order. Skywest pilots should have a union and and a contract that states they don't have to do any flying that violates another pilot groups' contract. They don't. They have voted down a union 3 times; That constitutes chronic failure. Additionally, these pilots agreed to fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat pay in the face of the United's BK for "growth". You don't have a problem with that?!

You were elevated in the hiring pool at UAL because you were an Eastern striker [solid union pilot]. I think that was good and is the kind of thing that should be continued. If a Skywest pilot wants to be here, and a UAL pilot can vouch for their feeling on working in a union, then great! Let's get them on board. I want to work with pilots who want to toe the line and be reliable union members. What's your problem with that?

Zero issue with your second paragragh. ( I will assume you have no issues with our "non union" military pilots.

My issue is you can't go and assume you know what is in another pilots head as to what his intentions may or may not have been.

I don't know if I have an issue with skywest being non union. If their working conditions and pay are in line with like carriers then my hats off to their management. In contrast I have an issue with carriers like VA who are non union and are NOT in line with the rest of the industry. I would like to see a union there.

 

[Flopgut]

I will assume you have no issues with our "non union" military pilots.

None.

 

[Chairman]

They should not have bid it [IAH]!!! It should have been awarded in reverse seniority order. Skywest pilots should have a union and and a contract that states they don't have to do any flying that violates another pilot groups' contract. They don't. They have voted down a union 3 times; That constitutes chronic failure. Additionally, these pilots agreed to fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat pay in the face of United's BK for "growth". You don't have a problem with that?!

You were elevated in the hiring pool at UAL because you were an Eastern striker [solid union pilot]. I think that was good and is the kind of thing that should be continued. If a Skywest pilot wants to be here, and a UAL pilot can vouch for their feeling on working in a union, then great! Let's get them on board. I want to work with pilots who want to toe the line and be reliable union members. What's your problem with that?

# of Skywest pilots that have crossed a picket line.....0
Number of Cal cAPTAINS that have..........................25%

Number of Skywest pilots that have Better work rules than CAL 100%

The 70 Seat RJ we know was the camel under the tent and everyone knows the mistake it was, and was agreed to in BK and expanded to the 170 behind the pilots back. Again if the 70 seat RJ violated your scope then what did you do as a sCAL pilot about it other than cry at a Skywest Pilot. At United the guys at least take action and have sued the Company over violations in the TPA numerous times and it was the UAL MEC that went to the the NMB to try to get released and get JP off his ass. At no time time a UAL pilot blame a Skywest pilot when we allowed them to have the flying, our mistake no there's. Your anger focused on the Skywest pilots group needs to be directed and Jeff Smisek and the rest of UAL/CAL management and any pilot just willing to wave there contract and wonder why they dont have a new one.

 

[Flopgut]

Chairman: you are not fully informed. sCAL won the scope arbitration. The 70s have been allowed to fly under a flight number change but the strictly CAL flying is not being done by 50+ seat jets. The fact that the flying has become "United" has not absolved the arbitrator's award. If/when we vote down this TA, sCAL ALPA will revisit the issue and defend our contract.

 

[Chairman]

Ok so lets get this clear....First of all every airplane had UAL on the side....And we have had that scope argument and every UAL pilot was behind you with that battle to honor your scope. The company did the end around on the pilot group. You toss around the S word which as a die hard Unionist you know is defined during a work action by your MEC....Did your MEC define it that way? IF so why not? You then want SKYW pilots to refuse such work assignments. Let me ask you this why did all CAL pilots not refuse to turn a wheel if the 70 seaters were flying in there domicile? Seems that tactic would have been much more affective...Dont you? But you would rather ask a regional guy to do it then have the CAL pilots refuse to fly...Why is that?

 

[Flopgut]

I don't know if I have an issue with skywest being non union. If their working conditions and pay are in line with like carriers then my hats off to their management. In contrast I have an issue with carriers like VA who are non union and are NOT in line with the rest of the industry. I would like to see a union there.

# of Skywest pilots that have crossed a picket line.....0
Number of Cal cAPTAINS that have..........................25%

Let's be consistent guys. If you're going to have a problem with CAL CAs who crossed a picket line, and VA pilots who fly for a chronically low wage, then you have to have the same suspicions of Skywest.

Read 3: B (1) thru (4)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab

I've linked a definition to a word for you, but what I'm really interested in is you understanding the behavior described in the definition.

Furthermore, what you have to agree with, is that membership has to have it's benefits. You guys that want to forgive non-union companies dilute what it means to be in one. Here's my feeling: There is them, and there is us. Plain and simple. In my mind's eye, the wants and needs of my fellow union member comes before a non-union worker's.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

L-UAL once did a real good job of vetting pilots in the pipeline... Maybe we can adopt that? I'd like to make sure we skip any Skywest pilots who came to Houston to violate my scope.

Does that include those of us who took photos and emailed them to your MEC to document the violations?
Mind you we did this without CBA protection nor Whistleblower protections, because it was the right thing to do.
But by all means keep painting with a broad brush, there are more than a few who hung it all out in the last 4 union drives, and wear the badge of "Union Rabblerouser" proudly.

 

[Flopgut]

Does that include those of us who took photos and emailed them to your MEC to document the violations?
Mind you we did this without CBA protection nor Whistleblower protections, because it was the right thing to do.
But by all means keep painting with a broad brush, there are more than a few who hung it all out in the last 4 union drives, and wear the badge of "Union Rabblerouser" proudly.

I am appreciative beyond words for a pilot such as yourself. I emailed my reps and MC and suggested we offer cash awards to Skywest pilots who make the tough call. I was told we don't do that. We should. If you want to work for United, you've got my vote.

 

[lookin4better]

I am sure people will get hired from Skywest and any other regional.

We should get back on topic.

 

[eaglesview]

I am sure people will get hired from Skywest and any other regional.

We should get back on topic.

Absolutly......uh what was the topic again????? "My generation" can't remember that far back. ( For FG's amusement)

 

[saabservant]

Interesting diversion of the topic, but rather pointless.
I paid alpa dues to national for 10 years and when laid off because of scope relaxation, aircraft retirement, fuel, and management's lies (they knew they were going to furlough us when hired) what was my 10 years of seniority and paid dues worth? NOTHING.
Who SIGNED AND NEGOTIATED the contracts at all alpa carriers allowing the 50 and 70 seaters at regionals? Not alpa at the major, or alpa at the regional. The alpa NATIONAL CHAIRMAN signs them, and they are negotiated and approved by the alpa national REPRESENTATION DEPT. So, poor leadership and vision at the MEC, and at the national leadership level.
But they are starting to get it now. Why? because their own senior aircraft and routes are now threatened by outsourcing.
What we NEED is alpa national leadership looking out for ALL the pilots in this profession, not just the few politically connected or the seniors at the majors.

End of sermon.

Let's stop yelling at each other across company lines, blaming this guy over here, or that poor schmuck at the regional.
I'm going back in November, because I gamble that the jcba will be signed by the time I get out of training. And if I wait until LUAL recalls everyone senior to me will go first and I'll have to wait a year.
If no jcba gets approved I"ll have no health care and will never be home. That is pathetic for our profession. Stop pointing the finger at regional schmucks. YOUR mec and alpa national agreed to that.

best wishes to all of you, I wish you luck and better times!

 

[Ex737Driver]

# of Skywest pilots that have crossed a picket line.....0
Number of Cal cAPTAINS that have..........................25%

Number of Skywest pilots that have Better work rules than CAL 100%.

Clarify here. I don't remember skywest ever having been forced into a concessionary contract. I also don't remember where skywest ever to had to pay for their fuel, ticketing, p-clubs, gates, or for that matter their aircraft. You fit right in with blo-jama economics. Get all you can at the expense of others. Never pay for what you have, simply allow it to be taken from others so they can support you in the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed and to which you think you deserve. It's easy to say your the best when you don't have to put the sweat equity into anything. Or am I being intolerant here?

 

[Chairman]

Clarify here. I don't remember skywest ever having been forced into a concessionary contract. I also don't remember where skywest ever to had to pay for their fuel, ticketing, p-clubs, gates, or for that matter their aircraft. You fit right in with blo-jama economics. Get all you can at the expense of others. Never pay for what you have, simply allow it to be taken from others so they can support you in the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed and to which you think you deserve. It's easy to say your the best when you don't have to put the sweat equity into anything. Or am I being intolerant here?

Getting way off topic. Nothing against CAL pilots, nor Skywest pilots, but to ask a Skywest guy to fight your battle and loose his job over it is pathetic. Skywest is a contract vendor for United no more no less. For CAL pilots to ask Skywest crews to refuse going to work when there is no work action is absurd. In 2001 plenty of Skywest crews stood up and refused any additional flying that was Comair's during there strike. The only point is if CAL pilots had and issue they should have refused to fly if they felt there scope was being violated. UAL pilots when to battle against the company when the company in our opinion crossed the line with the out sourcing flying to Air Lingus out of the IAD hub. Our battle our fight.... Any my economics are much closer in line with the other guy as my work ethic for fighting my own fights.

 

[UAL-GSO]

Anyway.... Guess what - I heard United Is going to review new pilot applications starting next week. We should start a thread about it.

That's a hint Jerkys.

 

[Snaab]

Anyway.... Guess what - I heard United Is going to review new pilot applications starting next week. We should start a thread about it.

That's a hint Jerkys.

So applications will begin to be reviewed NEXT week? Anyone familiar with when calls may go out to off-the-street for interviews? Thanks for any info.!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

If UNICAL management was smart, they'd get off the dime in negotiations, or at least come up with a MOU to improve the first year pay and insurance situation. They way it is, they're not going to get any experienced pilots to apply. It says something when a company is lowering its standards at the beginning of a hiring wave.

 

[jonjuan]

If UNICAL management was smart, they'd get off the dime in negotiations, or at least come up with a MOU to improve the first year pay and insurance situation. They way it is, they're not going to get any experienced pilots to apply. It says something when a company is lowering its standards at the beginning of a hiring wave.

LOL-they could take away healthcare for a year and they'll still get THOUSANDS of folks with multi-thousands of PIC applying. Just watch. Not that it's right, but it is supply and demand.

 

[waterskier]

11+ years at ASA - 4000 hr. CRJ PIC - 11 letters of rec. from current CPOs, past people I flew with that are now @ CAL & a prior capt who is now FAA, nothing bad at all in my history - had my app in since 2007... What else do I need to do to get into the short stack so I can get a call soon?

 

[lookin4better]

Current CAL/UAL CPO's?

 

[FlyboyPhil]

Cosmetology school waterskier, that or truckmasters...