United to Charge Express Pilots to Jumpseat

[urflyingme?!]

I'm sure your company hasn't consulted ALPA leadership on this issue, and I know that your opinion of us regional pukes may not be the best, but I thought you would like to know what has been going on in YOUR name.

United recently changed the travel 'privelages' by installing a yearly fee, and some other fun new fees. Two important things about the fees, we have until July 25th to pay up, or we don't get to non-rev till Jan 1, when we can pay up again! Fee will be around 200 bucks. And if you miss the deadline? No luck till next year!

That is all fine and well, this is the airlines and people do crazy stuff all the time. The part that YOU might be concerned about applies to the jumpseat. IF a pilot has not paid this fee, and there is ANY empty seats in the back, he/she will not be able to ride on ANY United or United express aircraft, including that employee's OWN aircraft.

I don't know about you guys, but this sounds like a bunch of BS. The Captain and the Union are the ones who should be negotiating the jumpseat, not some benefits admin down in the loop in Chicago.

FWIW, the new benefits suck as well....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Thats OK,
Mainline pilots and non revs need my jumpseat worse than I need their jumpseat/help. Effectively now, I will not add ballast to get a UAL/DAL jumpseater on the A/C. I will not 2 engine taxi to burn "extra" fuel to get above mentioned employee groups on the plane, nor will I move carry ons from the pit to get aforementioned employee groups on the a/c, you guys can buy a full fare ticket if you want to go on my a/c, because I will do nothing to get you in the back or the cockpit. Other offline riders you are welcome anytime, I will do everthing humanly possible to get you where you are going! BTW I will buy ID passes to ride on anyone but UAL/DAL. My insurgency has started and jihaad has been declared, one guy who is flying one of the 2500+ flights daily.
PBR

 

[urflyingme?!]

Not the reaction I was looking for.

More like, UAL pilots telling Glen to shove it and let them have control of their jumpseat. We have till July 25th.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thats OK,
Mainline pilots and non revs need my jumpseat worse than I need their jumpseat/help. Effectively now, I will not add ballast to get a UAL/DAL jumpseater on the A/C. I will not 2 engine taxi to burn "extra" fuel to get above mentioned employee groups on the plane, nor will I move carry ons from the pit to get aforementioned employee groups on the a/c, you guys can buy a full fare ticket if you want to go on my a/c, because I will do nothing to get you in the back or the cockpit. Other offline riders you are welcome anytime, I will do everthing humanly possible to get you where you are going! BTW I will buy ID passes to ride on anyone but UAL/DAL. My insurgency has started and jihaad has been declared, one guy who is flying one of the 2500+ flights daily.
PBR

Ok, I'm trying to figure out why Delta deserves the brunt of your childish jumpseat rant?? Wasn't this a United thread??

Enquiring minds and all.......

 

[skyslug]

I belive DL charges a yearly fee (for connection carriers) while currently UAL does not. Although according to your message you now say UAL does for express carriers. I don't see the big deal in this but perhaps I'm missing something (I'm tired and I've been working in the yard all day...that's my excuse )

 

[urflyingme?!]

United just started charging this fee. You can get around it on Delta, but the gate agent has your nuts in a vice.

The problem here is an airline CHARGING for the jumpseat, and at the beginning of the year you MUST pay or risk being stranded by some unforeseen event. Mesa, SKYW, RAH etc don't charge UAL or DAL pilots for the ride. We shouldn't have to pay. I figured that some UAL guys would like to know that their company is charging people for the jumpseat, 200 bucks.... Guess not?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

This is for the jumpseat? Or is it for non-rev seats? Either way, it may start an unhappy trend. Sorry for those affected.

 

[pilot772]

I'm sure your company hasn't consulted ALPA leadership on this issue, and I know that your opinion of us regional pukes may not be the best, but I thought you would like to know what has been going on in YOUR name.

United recently changed the travel 'privelages' by installing a yearly fee, and some other fun new fees. Two important things about the fees, we have until July 25th to pay up, or we don't get to non-rev till Jan 1, when we can pay up again! Fee will be around 200 bucks. And if you miss the deadline? No luck till next year!

That is all fine and well, this is the airlines and people do crazy stuff all the time. The part that YOU might be concerned about applies to the jumpseat. IF a pilot has not paid this fee, and there is ANY empty seats in the back, he/she will not be able to ride on ANY United or United express aircraft, including that employee's OWN aircraft.

I don't know about you guys, but this sounds like a bunch of BS. The Captain and the Union are the ones who should be negotiating the jumpseat, not some benefits admin down in the loop in Chicago.

FWIW, the new benefits suck as well....

SO is this the scenario you are discussing?

Jumpseating on UAL completely full flight you can ride the jumpseat as a OMC. Same UAL flight 30 open seats and you try to jumpseat. Per UAL policy a jumpseater has to sit in the back if there are open seats so now because you have not signed up for travel benefits you are not allowed to ride? How are they going to rectify this with AA, NWA, DAL, and all other carriers not associated with UAL.

 

[urflyingme?!]

772, spot on. It's only for UAX types. Nothing like beating your help, right?

 

[hockeypilot44]

If you don't like it, work for United. Oh yeah, I forgot, the 76-seater regional jet is replacing UAL anyway.

 

[urflyingme?!]

That ship sailed when I was 10 years old...

 

[glasspilot]

Does mainline UAL have to pay this fee to ride on mainline and UEX?

Or does just the UEX guys pay to JS on either and Mainline gets a free pass on both. If it's that last one then it's total crap. Having said that though, being at a regional is, by definition, total crap. Let me also add that Mesa sux.

UAL sux too, but not nearly as bad as Mesa and not quite as bad as US Air.

 

[urflyingme?!]

We HAVE to pay to ride on ANY of our aircraft, except that sometimes you can say you are 'observing' on our own ac for currency or training...

No fee, rightly so, to JS on UAX, unless of cousre, you are a mesa, gojet, tsa, republic, chataqua, shuttle, colgan, great lakes or skywest pilot...

 

[GuppyWN]

I don't have a dog in your fight but THAT'S BULLSH!T.

Why should you have to pay for a jumpseat that allows you and other pilots to get to work?

I don't get it.

Gup

 

[goodgig]

That ship is BURNING.

(No dog in it either. Guppy is right though.)

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
UAL does not give 2 dog nuggets for the UALex guys, the only way they will listen is if their own start to realize that they might not get to work. These are the same guys who wanted to bump us out of our own jumpseats, via super seniority clause in the jumpseat priority list.
PBR
DAL started this trend and UAL management, being short bus riders took 2 years to figure it out. Until we demonstrate to UAL/DAl that they need us as bad as we need them, we are phuked. In the meantime sorry guys, you cant be bothered to monitor what is going on with your own reciprocal jumpseat agreements, be prepared to walk, drive or cry, game on!

 

[Rick James]

If you don't like it, work for United. Oh yeah, I forgot, the 76-seater regional jet is replacing UAL anyway.

Wow, that's realistic and helpful.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Doesn't Eagle already do this with their own?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

another example of airlines charging employees so they can pass on the savings to the consumer. Despicable

 

[nimtz]

What a disgrace! Come on you guys give Glenn the blanket party treatment on the 16th hole this weekend!

 

[MINIME]

Hey,
UAL does not give 2 dog nuggets for the UALex guys, the only way they will listen is if their own start to realize that they might not get to work. These are the same guys who wanted to bump us out of our own jumpseats, via super seniority clause in the jumpseat priority list.
PBR
DAL started this trend and UAL management, being short bus riders took 2 years to figure it out. Until we demonstrate to UAL/DAl that they need us as bad as we need them, we are phuked. In the meantime sorry guys, you cant be bothered to monitor what is going on with your own reciprocal jumpseat agreements, be prepared to walk, drive or cry, game on!

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement! And I object!!!

It should read, "UAL does not give 2 dog nuggets for the UALex guys nor any of its Mainline employees." Now.... that's better.

Where the hell is Gordon Bethune?

 

[WabiSabi]

If this BS spreads, hopefully it will be addressed in the CBA's of the future. It would be ironic if a contract had the airline pay the yearly fee for each pilot, fee gets negotiated in or out of Connection/Express etc. contracts....yada yada yada, back to square one.

 

[Shrek]

This must be for non-rev travel. OMC is free.

MESA sux.

 

[glasspilot]

This must be for non-rev travel. OMC is free.

MESA sux.

Sure, but if the policy is that you can only OMC if the plane is full then it's the same as charging for the JS. A guy would have to pay the yearly fee since there is bound to be an empty seat on 1 or 2 commutes throughout the year.

Since this is starting mid-year it sounds like they don't even have the courtesy to prorate this year but instead are charging the full amount for half a year. Pathetic regardless.

MESA sux.

 

[urflyingme?!]

This must be for non-rev travel. OMC is free.

MESA sux.

NOPE. No 200 bucks, 50/50 shot at not making it to work.

 

[P-47]

Sure, but if the policy is that you can only OMC if the plane is full then it's the same as charging for the JS. A guy would have to pay the yearly fee since there is bound to be an empty seat on 1 or 2 commutes throughout the year.

You sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If you request the JS and there are empty seats in the back, you are asked to take a seat in the back. You are still considered an OMC; therefore you will not be charged a non-rev fee. Once and OMC always an OMC even if riding in the back!

 

[glasspilot]

You sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If you request the JS and there are empty seats in the back, you are asked to take a seat in the back. You are still considered an OMC; therefore you will not be charged a non-rev fee. Once and OMC always an OMC even if riding in the back!

I'm just restating what the OP said in post number one. Here, I bolded the part that directly conflicts with what you just said.

...United recently changed the travel 'privelages' by installing a yearly fee, and some other fun new fees. Two important things about the fees, we have until July 25th to pay up, or we don't get to non-rev till Jan 1, when we can pay up again! Fee will be around 200 bucks. And if you miss the deadline? No luck till next year!

That is all fine and well, this is the airlines and people do crazy stuff all the time. The part that YOU might be concerned about applies to the jumpseat. IF a pilot has not paid this fee, and there is ANY empty seats in the back, he/she will not be able to ride on ANY United or United express aircraft, including that employee's OWN aircraft.

I don't know about you guys, but this sounds like a bunch of BS. The Captain and the Union are the ones who should be negotiating the jumpseat, not some benefits admin down in the loop in Chicago.

FWIW, the new benefits suck as well....

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I think ASA has had/is having something similar with Delta.

You choose not to pay the $200 for NRSA privileges, try to list yourself as a jumpseater with the gate agent. The computer then automatically tries to list you as a NRSA (non-rev) because there are seats available, and you get denied because you have not paid the $200 as a Non Rev.

Jumpseat Request Denied. Real hassle for all involved (gate agent and pilot)

 

[Shrek]

NOPE. No 200 bucks, 50/50 shot at not making it to work.

If I was on property then I could research this for you........but furloughed since this management thinks 70 seat airplanes can eventually replace all domestic flying.

Guess it sucks for both of us........pay 200 bucks to get to a low paying job or not having to pay anything to get to no job at all. Take your pick.

 

[rumrunner300]

Simmer down children, this will get worked out. I have no love for the top of my former company but I do believe in the grunts in the polyester ties. It may take some time but in the end the jumpseat is not something the pilots like forking with, and everything will end up square. In the mean time, put away your childish rants and talk of Jihad (you really sound like an idiot), pay your "left at the gate" fee if you are so inclined and move on with your life. (or what suffices for a life)

I gotta get to class.

runnin'beyotch