United to Charge Express Pilots to Jumpseat

[MINIME]

Hey,
UAL does not give 2 dog nuggets for the UALex guys, the only way they will listen is if their own start to realize that they might not get to work. These are the same guys who wanted to bump us out of our own jumpseats, via super seniority clause in the jumpseat priority list.
PBR
DAL started this trend and UAL management, being short bus riders took 2 years to figure it out. Until we demonstrate to UAL/DAl that they need us as bad as we need them, we are phuked. In the meantime sorry guys, you cant be bothered to monitor what is going on with your own reciprocal jumpseat agreements, be prepared to walk, drive or cry, game on!

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement! And I object!!!

It should read, "UAL does not give 2 dog nuggets for the UALex guys nor any of its Mainline employees." Now.... that's better.

Where the hell is Gordon Bethune?

 

[WabiSabi]

If this BS spreads, hopefully it will be addressed in the CBA's of the future. It would be ironic if a contract had the airline pay the yearly fee for each pilot, fee gets negotiated in or out of Connection/Express etc. contracts....yada yada yada, back to square one.

 

[Shrek]

This must be for non-rev travel. OMC is free.

MESA sux.

 

[glasspilot]

This must be for non-rev travel. OMC is free.

MESA sux.

Sure, but if the policy is that you can only OMC if the plane is full then it's the same as charging for the JS. A guy would have to pay the yearly fee since there is bound to be an empty seat on 1 or 2 commutes throughout the year.

Since this is starting mid-year it sounds like they don't even have the courtesy to prorate this year but instead are charging the full amount for half a year. Pathetic regardless.

MESA sux.

 

[urflyingme?!]

This must be for non-rev travel. OMC is free.

MESA sux.

NOPE. No 200 bucks, 50/50 shot at not making it to work.

 

[P-47]

Sure, but if the policy is that you can only OMC if the plane is full then it's the same as charging for the JS. A guy would have to pay the yearly fee since there is bound to be an empty seat on 1 or 2 commutes throughout the year.

You sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If you request the JS and there are empty seats in the back, you are asked to take a seat in the back. You are still considered an OMC; therefore you will not be charged a non-rev fee. Once and OMC always an OMC even if riding in the back!

 

[glasspilot]

You sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If you request the JS and there are empty seats in the back, you are asked to take a seat in the back. You are still considered an OMC; therefore you will not be charged a non-rev fee. Once and OMC always an OMC even if riding in the back!

I'm just restating what the OP said in post number one. Here, I bolded the part that directly conflicts with what you just said.

...United recently changed the travel 'privelages' by installing a yearly fee, and some other fun new fees. Two important things about the fees, we have until July 25th to pay up, or we don't get to non-rev till Jan 1, when we can pay up again! Fee will be around 200 bucks. And if you miss the deadline? No luck till next year!

That is all fine and well, this is the airlines and people do crazy stuff all the time. The part that YOU might be concerned about applies to the jumpseat. IF a pilot has not paid this fee, and there is ANY empty seats in the back, he/she will not be able to ride on ANY United or United express aircraft, including that employee's OWN aircraft.

I don't know about you guys, but this sounds like a bunch of BS. The Captain and the Union are the ones who should be negotiating the jumpseat, not some benefits admin down in the loop in Chicago.

FWIW, the new benefits suck as well....

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I think ASA has had/is having something similar with Delta.

You choose not to pay the $200 for NRSA privileges, try to list yourself as a jumpseater with the gate agent. The computer then automatically tries to list you as a NRSA (non-rev) because there are seats available, and you get denied because you have not paid the $200 as a Non Rev.

Jumpseat Request Denied. Real hassle for all involved (gate agent and pilot)

 

[Shrek]

NOPE. No 200 bucks, 50/50 shot at not making it to work.

If I was on property then I could research this for you........but furloughed since this management thinks 70 seat airplanes can eventually replace all domestic flying.

Guess it sucks for both of us........pay 200 bucks to get to a low paying job or not having to pay anything to get to no job at all. Take your pick.

 

[rumrunner300]

Simmer down children, this will get worked out. I have no love for the top of my former company but I do believe in the grunts in the polyester ties. It may take some time but in the end the jumpseat is not something the pilots like forking with, and everything will end up square. In the mean time, put away your childish rants and talk of Jihad (you really sound like an idiot), pay your "left at the gate" fee if you are so inclined and move on with your life. (or what suffices for a life)

I gotta get to class.

runnin'beyotch

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

BULL$HIT alert!!!!

PBR has no idea what he's talking about.

Delta NEVER charged for the jumpseat and they do NOT TODAY!!!

Delta charged a yearly fee for unlimited travel per year (50 bucks) for employees AND connection employees.

United and American charges a per mile charge and some transcon trips would go over 50 for ONE round trip.

Please see through the crybaby PBR and his flamebait against Delta. It's all wrong and he's spreading rumors.

IMHO....United pilots need to put their foot down if the jumpseat is for sale. It's a dangerous trend that needs to be stopped.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Hope our management doesn't hear about this one...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe the UAX guys can work with the UAL MEC to help with this jumpseat issue...

How is the relationship between the UAX pilots and the UAL MEC?

 

[A-V-8]

My understanding is that I can always jump seat for free. I can't Non rev unless I pay the fee which I thought was 10 for an express leg and 20 for a mainline leg and 50 for international. Jump seating is still free as far as I know. Someone in the know correct me if I am wrong because if I am wrong I foresee a jump seat war brewing that some crusty old United types certainly will find great humor in not getting to work. They wont mind being denied at all.

 

[RJLoser]

I dont believe this is flaimebait. DL and DCI carriers have to pay the $50 for travel. You are not allowed to "flowback" to the cabin from the cockpit no matter how you are listed. I think this is a growing trend ala DL. I'm afraid in the future for commuters this will be the equation:

(# of airlines you commute on) X ($50) = your cost to get to work per year

 

[NJAPLT]

How is the relationship between the UAX pilots and the UAL MEC?

From this thread it sounds like the same relationship as between dogs and fire hydrants!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

BULL$HIT alert!!!!

PBR has no idea what he's talking about.

Delta NEVER charged for the jumpseat and they do NOT TODAY!!!

Delta charged a yearly fee for unlimited travel per year (50 bucks) for employees AND connection employees.

United and American charges a per mile charge and some transcon trips would go over 50 for ONE round trip.

Please see through the crybaby PBR and his flamebait against Delta. It's all wrong and he's spreading rumors.

IMHO....United pilots need to put their foot down if the jumpseat is for sale. It's a dangerous trend that needs to be stopped.

Bill,
After you get those TPS reports done, read the "new" travel agreements. Get back to me on Sat.
PBR

 

[koko nw]

I foresee a jump seat war brewing that some crusty old United types certainly will find great humor in not getting to work. They wont mind being denied at all.

The sword cuts both way's my friend.
Nothing can be gained by a Jump Seat war, let's get polictics out of the JS and work this out.

May Glenn rot in H$ll.

Peace

Koko

 

[Draginass]

I guess we'll see if UAL ALPA ducks and covers with this beating like they have for everything else since the BK.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The sword cuts both way's my friend.
Nothing can be gained by a Jump Seat war, let's get polictics out of the JS and work this out.

May Glenn rot in H$ll.

Peace

Koko

Not quite accurate, the sword cuts on it' edge, I have the handle in my hands. I am OK with buying IDs for my leisure travel on anything except UAL/DAL, can the UAL/DAL pilots say they don't need my jumpseat? Because I don't need theirs. This isn't war it's an insurgent jihad, will every UAL/DAL pilot be denied the jumpseat, no, because on some days the numbers will work out, I will not violate the terms of the agreement, but make no mistake, I will do NOTHING to insure said UAL/DAL jumpseaters get into the J/S or seat in the back. The reality is they will never know why they didn't get on, they just won't. This will just manifest it's self as a rising trend in "unable to get to work" problem. Forums like this will slowly come to light and the word will get out to the MECs and it will or won't get solved.
Bottom line is this job is getting to the point of not worth doing any longer. Maybe I will find a cubicle to work in, and sleep at home every night, and make more real money, who knows. If you are a UAL/DAL pilot going to work or on vacation to Kalispell, your transport just be came less certain than it has been, money out of my pocket, means time out of yours.
PBR