United Pilot to Upset to Fly!!

[FlyWolf]

You will soon see all Midwest pilots too upset to fly also.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The important part is that when the smoke clears, we all kiss and make up.

Did you?

Also... you have the benefit and luxury of a profitable company...

 

[Whataburger]

Did you?

Also... you have the benefit and luxury of a profitable company...

Yep. Flew with the #1 pilot in the company last month. He was hired before I was born. We talked about it for a few minutes. We're all big boys here for the most part. No sh!t, it's water under the bridge. It blows, but it's done. Some folks are still pissed off that the South came in 2nd in the Civil War. Most grown-ups can accept change, good or bad.


You're right. This is my first airline in my career that is profitable. For how long though? That's what makes this job interesting. I am saving my $$$ like my last paycheck was my LAST.

 

[airlinepilot]

Whataburger is dead-on. Very little problems with our group over age 65. Discussion yes, infighting NO.

 

[pkober]

The hat issue is simply a tool to

A. show the company we are unified &

B identify those that are not with us.

The PIC obviously has rights, he also has a choice as to wether he is with us or not. If not then he gets what he deserves from his fellow pilots.

I agree with the show of unity. That's why I and most of us wear our ALPA pins. We may not agree with ALPA-N but we wear it to support our local causes.

My point is that ALPA-UAL should support this pilots rights as PIC to cancel his flight. The PIC's right's of command should trump all other issues.

I was just curious if they were defending his PIC rights. Anyone at UAL know how they are playing this? Just wondering. Has ALPA-N said anything?

 

[Flopgut]

Did you?

Also... you have the benefit and luxury of a profitable company...

They also have the benefit of knowing that, in reality, they (SWA pilots) had nothing to do with the change. I didn't agree with the age change, but SWAPA's contribution was zip!! Could not matter less!! If they were the only ones pushing it, it never would have changed. The sum total of political clout/influence SWAPA has is not equivilent to the decision ALPA makes on which toilet paper brand to buy.

Again--I did not agree with it--but I will admit it was quite a display of political clout to get the change done.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I agree with the show of unity. That's why I and most of us wear our ALPA pins. We may not agree with ALPA-N but we wear it to support our local causes.

What Unity is that? Bitching and taking a paycut?

 

[Soverytired]

Exhibit A:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1614145#post1614145

Soverytired wrote:
"Brother, I hear you. It's very unfortunate that recency of experience can often times trump quality and length of overall experience.

And silly too. A 10,000 hour pilot isn't going to suffer much from a 6-12 month break. But it DOES force him to jump in to the real crap jobs just to keep "currency"."

Starting a sentence with "and" as well as an incomplete sentence. I think you misused the "too" in this sentence that you accused the other poster of doing (should be "to").
People in glass houses..............

Hah hah!

"We have met the enemy, and he is us!"

 

[pkober]

What Unity is that? Bitching and taking a paycut?

WTFO ?!?

 

[SaturnPilot]

Exactly. Go ahead and tally up how many "Pipe-Hittin" Union "Brothers" aren't wearing their hats. Now, tell them all to shave their heads, as a show of further solidarity (much like bootcamp - You're not individuals, but a group...ya know?) How many WOULDN'T? Answer: I'd Bet Most.

Point: Wearing/Not wearing a hat is a poor indicator of Unity.

Many of the guys not wearing hats WILL vote for paycuts.

And it will ALWAYS be this way...and it's ONE reason why ALPA is very ineffective.

I don't really think the guys at United are thinking about taking a paycut, so I wouldn't worry about the non-hat wearers voting for it.

If you believe this is why ALPA is "very ineffective", please tell us what you think other unions (that have gone through bankruptcy) do better to make themselves effective?

Once again, this is only ONE small thing the UAL MEC is doing, so I don't see how it hurts. If you don't see how this program is effective, then I don't think you're looking at the big picture.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I don't really think the guys at United are thinking about taking a paycut, so I wouldn't worry about the non-hat wearers voting for it.

If you believe this is why ALPA is "very ineffective", please tell us what you think other unions (that have gone through bankruptcy) do better to make themselves effective?

And this goes for Pkober too: Not wearing hats to show Unity. Unity against what? Management policies? First off, it's not a good indicator of "Unity." Look at my previous haircut statement. Secondly: What will the pilots do when Management comes to them AGAIN with concessionary contracts? Pilots will vote them in and all be happy to have a job.

 

[Morning Wood]

Yes, mom, because that's the same thing as not wearing the damned hat.

Okay, you first tough guy.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Doesn't matter if you support operation "no hat" or if you blow up a huge inflatable rat.....At the end of the day, 50%+1 will do whatever it takes to save their job because they don't want to start over again at the bottom.....All the silly hat protests and inflatable rodents won't change that......

 

[eaglesview]

Like cancelling a flight? This guys ONE action of cancelling a flight did MORE to get management's attention than the goofy Hat protest. ALPA should be taking notes.

Sidenote: Kudos to this guy for cancelling the trip

This hat wearing idiot cancelled the flight because he was to upset to fly after his piers harassed the crap out of him for being on his own agenda. The company got involved because of the cancelled flight. We in ORD were all sent an e-mail concerning the harassment of employees....."It will not be tolerated." E-mail didn't work. As I have said before it is about unity and seeing who the players are. And yes the company notices.

 

[Andy Neill]

This hat wearing idiot cancelled the flight because he was to upset to fly after his piers harassed the crap out of him for being on his own agenda.

Statements like this always bring a smile to my face due to their self-evident nature.

Note to others: Besides watching out for those harassing piers, also be on the lookout for those menacing hangars and bus terminals. :laugh:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Doesn't matter if you support operation "no hat" or if you blow up a huge inflatable rat.....At the end of the day, 50%+1 will do whatever it takes to save their job because they don't want to start over again at the bottom.....All the silly hat protests and inflatable rodents won't change that......

And if you don't like 50%+1 there is always litigation. The ultimate in democracy... if you don't get your way, get out voted or become the minority you can always sue the bastards....

"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner"

Again....if you don't like 50%+1 there is always litigation.

 

[CopilotDoug]

As I have said before it is about unity and seeing who the players are.

Unity for what purposes?