UNITED changing name to United Express

[WSurf]

In a respectable world if a regional received more flying due to mainline contraction, furloughed should get 100% of the jobs with full seniority-(top of the list)

They come with the flying, they should get first dibs on that flying. Otherwise the regional pilots are the ones that benefit at their expense.

This coming from a junior Regional captain that doesn't feel it's right to gain any QOL increase at the expense of....essentially my forefathers. I don't want to fly left seat to some guy thats been at mainline for 5 years. Nor do I think its right to have a better sked than him....especially if he brought added flying over with him. No BS there.

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[Taildraggaah]

Rumor is United will have more E-jets on property.

SWEET

Yeah if you want to be a regional pilot as a career...

 

[Weasil]

Why don't you guys just negotiate to fly the RJs at United mainline. You are losing 100 airplanes - if your company wants them replaced with 170s or CRJs than you guys do whatever it takes to get them on your own certificate.

 

[WSurf]

Yeah if you want to be a regional pilot as a career...

This is what the RJ's have done. Many folks are happy with 80-100k a year, with 3 to 4 vaction slots living in base.

Hmmmm, I can't blame those that haven't moved on to a major. Believe me, I have applied at a few Majors and I for one am still lucky to have my Regional Job in this state of the Airline industry. That mainline job isn't what it was 10-15 years ago.

We can only hope that working at a major will one day be a dream job again.

 

[Taildraggaah]

If memory serves me correctly, after 9/11, USAir pilots were the only ones that had a J4J deal. .

Double your metamusil and B12, CAL had them as well...

 

[Taildraggaah]

This is what the RJ's have done. Many folks are happy with 80-100k a year, with 3 to 4 vaction slots living in base.

It isnt what it used to be for alot of reasons, one of which is that we as pilots are whores!!!

Pay for training, will fly for food, no pay, buying time in an airplane... the hits keep coming.

I am by no way saying this is the only reason, but it doesn't help. No offense to people at regionals but if we keep shooting for attitudes of "More RJs great..." then we reap what we sew...

 

[gr8dane]

To Saab fixr, I didn't know they allowed children to post here?

 

[WSurf]

It isnt what it used to be for alot of reasons, one of which is that we as pilots are whores!!!

Pay for training, will fly for food, no pay, buying time in an airplane... the hits keep coming.

I am by no way saying this is the only reason, but it doesn't help. No offense to people at regionals but if we keep shooting for attitudes of "More RJs great..." then we reap what we sew...

Believe me I don't disagree with you. Those RJ's have brought nothing good to this industry. I am still stuck on a Dash 8 and cringe when I see a E170/175 and realize that the crew makes about the same as my crew on a 37 seat Prop.

The E-Jets should have been a mainline plane! Who do you blame by allowing it to be flown at the regionals? You can't blame the pilots that fly them. I blame ALPA and Mainline Pilots that allowed those planes to be flown at the Regionals.

 

[Avi8tor2000]

I am still stuck on a Dash 8 and cringe when I see a E170/175 and realize that the crew makes about the same as my crew on a 37 seat Prop.

5 year scales:

Piedmont Dash-8(300) CA: $56/hour
Republic E175 CA: $77/hour

15 year scales:
Piedmont Dash-8 (300) CA: $72/hour
Republic E175 CA: $105/hour


I wouldn't exactly say "about the same"...

 

[Weasil]

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[WSurf]

5 year scales:

Piedmont Dash-8(300) CA: $56/hour
Republic E175 CA: $77/hour

15 year scales:
Piedmont Dash-8 (300) CA: $72/hour
Republic E175 CA: $105/hour


I wouldn't exactly say "about the same"...

Work Rules and pay credit much better at Piedmont. I know people at Republic that usually get 85-90 hrs of credit a month. We usually get 100-105.

Don't get me wrong, we work way harder to get our money. Six leg days in a hot Airplane... Grrrr

Don't just look at the Captains rates, I believe our FO's make more money on the Dash the first year then Republic.

 

[Superpilot92]

This is what the RJ's have done. Many folks are happy with 80-100k a year, with 3 to 4 vaction slots living in base.

Hmmmm, I can't blame those that haven't moved on to a major. Believe me, I have applied at a few Majors and I for one am still lucky to have my Regional Job in this state of the Airline industry. That mainline job isn't what it was 10-15 years ago.

We can only hope that working at a major will one day be a dream job again.

The problem is that many of the "lifers" dont look past their nose when it comes to their "careers". The long term viability of making a "career" at a regional really isnt a reality for most. "Career" meaning imho 20+ years remaining. Sure its nice to be a regional captain making decent money but most regionals probably wont be around 20+ years. Thus making it worthwhile to move on asap.

With that said i know no major is safe either but most of the big airlines have a far better chance of being around throughout a career than a regional. To each their own but the majority of us didnt get into this profession only to hopefully "retire" at a regional.

 

[jonjuan]

The problem is that many of the "lifers" dont look past their nose when it comes to their "careers". The long term viability of making a "career" at a regional really isnt a reality for most. "Career" meaning imho 20+ years remaining. Sure its nice to be a regional captain making decent money but most regionals probably wont be around 20+ years. Thus making it worthwhile to move on asap.

With that said i know no major is safe either but most of the big airlines have a far better chance of being around throughout a career than a regional. To each their own but the majority of us didnt get into this profession only to hopefully "retire" at a regional.

OK, let's put your comments in perspective. How many years was it for you from CFI to major airline-3 years?
The problem is that people like to opine on what others should do in their career and in turn, make judgements.
You're what, 27-28 and at a major? Imagine if you started looking for a regional job today. You get hired at a "decent" regional in which the upgrade is now 6-years +. You get married and start a family and commute the entire time. When you upgrade, your schedule starts all over again while commuting on reserve. By the time you upgrade, your kids are 4 and 6. You then spend 2.5 years getting the 1,300-1,500 competitive turbine PIC hours. By the time you are competitive to be hired by a major, you are 37 and the kids are 7 and 9. Now you are faced with the current landscape of airlines paying $29K first year with no healthcare the first 6-months. Throw impending furloughs on top of the significant pay reduction.
To your comment that most of the major airlines have a far better chance of being around throughout a career than a regional-how do you know this? I'll bet that most who left the military or regionals for majors the past year and face impending furlough would soon love to be "lifers who don't look past their nose when it comes to their careers."
The older you are, the less your wife works, the longer the commute, and the more kids you have really changes the amount of risk one is willing to take.
Good luck.

 

[Volasl]

I am always shocked that so many pilots get excited about an airlines demise. The common thought is we will get more RJ flying or Ill upgrade faster.

We all try to make educated decisions on which company to work for. Ironically, most of you took the first airline that hired you.......Its not about what you fly. Its about having a good pay scale. The majority of you have never even flown a turboprop! You need to grow up and realize that your profession is dying and those PIC hours you wish to obtain soon wont matter.

After making it to a major, I will be furloughed shortly. Ive been at a regional before and wont go back. Im leaving the industry to spend more time with my family. That is what is important!


For the record , most of us dont want an express job again. Keep in mind your gain is always someone elses loss. You may be the next one to lose how will you feel?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Work Rules and pay credit much better at Piedmont. I know people at Republic that usually get 85-90 hrs of credit a month. We usually get 100-105.

Don't get me wrong, we work way harder to get our money. Six leg days in a hot Airplane... Grrrr

Don't just look at the Captains rates, I believe our FO's make more money on the Dash the first year then Republic.

Hey! We already had a RAH vs Piedmont thread. don't bring this topic up again PLEASE!