United Airlines

[jonjuan]

So you are just thinking about applying?? I and thousands of others have had Aps in since the first week they were open to Aps, been to job fairs etc and now they are not even interviewing. so?? good luck, keep thinking.

So, it's first come, first served in regards to hiring? I'm sure all of the mil dudes wouldn't be too keen on that.

 

[Flopgut]

CAL was on a downhill roll since 2004 when Gordo was fired. Plenty of warts over there. Now the super regional mismanagement that was CAL is running a much larger combined airline. Extremely poorly.

Both sides had their warts premerger. To pretend that CAL was the bestest airline out there shows your inability to deal with reality. CAL wasn't even able to track pilot duty day, much less provide accurate paychecks. Funny, the errors on my paychecks have always gone in favor of the company.

CAL may have been a pretty good airline in 2004; by 2009 it was just another crappy airline. To describe it as anything else is facetious.

Fact: Larry Kellner was right. Enough said.

 

[densoo]

CAL may have been a pretty good airline in 2004; by 2009 it was just another crappy airline.

That's not what the passengers thought. But I guess that doesn't matter.

 

[Flopgut]

You are wasting precious energy still fixating on "sides."

Wasting time? I'm not doing anything you haven't already done yourself. Just like you I'm looking at what new possibilities there might be, and there really aren't any coming from my direction. It's not even a matter of seniority. The flying sUAL brought to the merger is boring compared to sCAL. What am I missing? What's the best BES in the sub UAL system for either a senior FO or junior CA?

 

[eaglesview]

Wasting time? I'm not doing anything you haven't already done yourself. Just like you I'm looking at what new possibilities there might be, and there really aren't any coming from my direction. It's not even a matter of seniority. The flying sUAL brought to the merger is boring compared to sCAL. What am I missing? What's the best BES in the sub UAL system for either a senior FO or junior CA?

Type of flying that is "boring or exciting" would be a matter of personal preference, sort of like looking at art. If you think the exciting flying is on the Guppy then I would suggest staying there. If you want to do something else bid it. Two large airlines merged, surely you can find something that you like. If all of the sub UA is boring to you.......don't bid it. It's pretty much as simple as that. You always have the option of Sparky if you prefer that. Not sure what else I can say.

FWIW....During the short time I have been on the Guppy I have been to SJU and PUJ. Interestingly enough I flew those trips out of either IAD or ORD. These are the same flights I flew on the Bus. Would the fact that UCH put the Guppy be on the same routes "UAL" pilots flew be the fault of sub UAL pilots? This plays into my statement that it's too late to take sides....it's over.

 

[Uncle Bort]

Not to change the subject....but, I've been told by the last couple of retreads I've flown with that all the folks who are not trained by whatever deadline and garner displacement rights are going to be bumping junior sCAL Captains out of their bases. So not being able to hold the seat may not be an obstacle. But there are no sides.

 

[uba757]

Btw, the comment that the Airbus is a pig compared to the Boeing is amazingly ignorant. We have 767's and A330's for our Transpac flying. The Airbus outperforms the 767's across the board. The most obvious being our ability to top weather that the 767's can't. The 767 simply is not in the same league as the 767, although the 767 are lot better than the 757, but even the 757 is way better than the 737 for transpac flying.

Dan, no offense but to compare an airplane design form the late 70's to one form the early 90's is also amazingly ignorant.

 

[Flopgut]

Not to change the subject....but, I've been told by the last couple of retreads I've flown with that all the folks who are not trained by whatever deadline and garner displacement rights are going to be bumping junior sCAL Captains out of their bases. So not being able to hold the seat may not be an obstacle. But there are no sides.

I'm aware of that, and personally ok with it. I've been bumped out of captain before* and had a pretty sweet deal to bump into. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Can't imagine this is true, but it appears I'm better off bumping into any seat in the former cal system than looking at the UAL flying. The 787 is the obvious choice, but as soon as the 25th airplane comes sUAL guys will be on it. I don't want to fly a pos airplane and I want a variety of nice places to fly. That seems to relegate me to the sCAL system. That can't be 100% right. What's a nice bes to look for openings on the UAL side? I want no bunkie, 2 commutes max, and I don't care for Europe. 777 DCA, SFO or LAX?

*far easier to lose captain in a SLI than to an overnight retirement age change. At least for me anyway. Matter of fact, this SLI would have been a lot cleaner deal if retirement age had stayed 60. 65 had the exact same results as both strikes at our former airlines. Pilots who crossed are like the ones who stayed=windfall. Guys who toe the line=screwed. Hope nothing like either of those happen again. Greed has to stop.

 

[Shrek]

Not to change the subject....but, I've been told by the last couple of retreads I've flown with that all the folks who are not trained by whatever deadline and garner displacement rights are going to be bumping junior sCAL Captains out of their bases. So not being able to hold the seat may not be an obstacle. But there are no sides.

It's a good thing to know your contract.

 

[Uncle Bort]

Time to make another donation.

 

[greed]

737-9 is a pig, but the newer ones with the 27,000# engines are a little better.

At the end of the day it's QOL for me or else I'd be flying the 757.

You hit the nail on the head. I will fly the worst plane if the price is right and the schedule is good.

 

[densoo]

Not to change the subject....but, I've been told by the last couple of retreads I've flown with that all the folks who are not trained by whatever deadline and garner displacement rights are going to be bumping junior sCAL Captains out of their bases. So not being able to hold the seat may not be an obstacle. But there are no sides.

There was at least one which alerted everyone to this contractual provision and training scheduling is tracking it very closely now to prevent it from happening again. The one was rumored to be a pilot who took a EWR 737 FO vacancy, wasn't trained in time, and his seniority would hold 756 captain so that's what he took.

 

[kwick]

I'm aware of that, and personally ok with it. I've been bumped out of captain before* and had a pretty sweet deal to bump into. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Can't imagine this is true, but it appears I'm better off bumping into any seat in the former cal system than looking at the UAL flying. The 787 is the obvious choice, but as soon as the 25th airplane comes sUAL guys will be on it. I don't want to fly a pos airplane and I want a variety of nice places to fly. That seems to relegate me to the sCAL system. That can't be 100% right. What's a nice bes to look for openings on the UAL side? I want no bunkie, 2 commutes max, and I don't care for Europe. 777 DCA, SFO or LAX?

*far easier to lose captain in a SLI than to an overnight retirement age change. At least for me anyway. Matter of fact, this SLI would have been a lot cleaner deal if retirement age had stayed 60. 65 had the exact same results as both strikes at our former airlines. Pilots who crossed are like the ones who stayed=windfall. Guys who toe the line=screwed. Hope nothing like either of those happen again. Greed has to stop.

Dude, get over yourself.

Life is full of changes that are beyond your control.

You must be the most miserable guy to spend time with.

Just take a chill pill and appreciate every day. Life is short, and you spend
way to much time bitching about things that are in the past.

Grow up!

 

[kwick]

I'm aware of that, and personally ok with it. I've been bumped out of captain before* and had a pretty sweet deal to bump into. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Can't imagine this is true, but it appears I'm better off bumping into any seat in the former cal system than looking at the UAL flying. The 787 is the obvious choice, but as soon as the 25th airplane comes sUAL guys will be on it. I don't want to fly a pos airplane and I want a variety of nice places to fly. That seems to relegate me to the sCAL system. That can't be 100% right. What's a nice bes to look for openings on the UAL side? I want no bunkie, 2 commutes max, and I don't care for Europe. 777 DCA, SFO or LAX?

*far easier to lose captain in a SLI than to an overnight retirement age change. At least for me anyway. Matter of fact, this SLI would have been a lot cleaner deal if retirement age had stayed 60. 65 had the exact same results as both strikes at our former airlines. Pilots who crossed are like the ones who stayed=windfall. Guys who toe the line=screwed. Hope nothing like either of those happen again. Greed has to stop.

Dude, get over yourself.

Life is full of changes that are beyond your control.

You must be the most miserable guy to spend time with.

Just take a chill pill and appreciate every day. Life is short, and you spend
way too much time bitching about things that are in the past.

Grow up!

 

[kwick]

Abysmal. I thank Smisek and the rest of the senior managers at United for the poor performance. If you spend the time looking at their bios, you'll see that most of them were with pre-2010 CAL. So these are the people who were running the 'pretty good airline' that Flopgut speaks of.

The combined airline rises to a level of incompetence that I have never witnessed at any previous employer.

Previous employer being the Federal Government?

No airline rises to that level of incompetence. Get real.

 

[SIG600]

How about everyone stop living in whatever grand era you think you were apart of, and recognize that your paycheck says United and isn't signed by you. Both airlines needed each other, neither would've survived alone.

If everyone wants to be the best, start acting like the best. I've yet to see it, just name calling and in-fighting. Meanwhile mgmt is organizing and looking for ways to exploit it. We're our own worst enemy here.

 

[pianoman]

How about everyone stop living in whatever grand era you think you were apart of, and recognize that your paycheck says United and isn't signed by you. Both airlines needed each other, neither would've survived alone.

If everyone wants to be the best, start acting like the best. I've yet to see it, just name calling and in-fighting. Meanwhile mgmt is organizing and looking for ways to exploit it. We're our own worst enemy here.

^^^^this^^^^

 

[Flopgut]

You must be the most miserable guy to spend time with.

Is this a profession/union or f-ing match.com?! Certain behaviors and past transgressions are suppose to matter. At least that's what we heard from the prater types for 25 years. I may be "miserable guy to spend time with" I don't know. But that doesn't matter a bit, I'm a solid person to work with and the exact kind of person you want to be working the same contract with. Acting like a union doesn't mean we have to like each other.

 

[Shrek]

There was at least one which alerted everyone to this contractual provision and training scheduling is tracking it very closely now to prevent it from happening again. The one was rumored to be a pilot who took a EWR 737 FO vacancy, wasn't trained in time, and his seniority would hold 756 captain so that's what he took.

Nice !!

 

[eaglesview]

There was at least one which alerted everyone to this contractual provision and training scheduling is tracking it very closely now to prevent it from happening again. The one was rumored to be a pilot who took a EWR 737 FO vacancy, wasn't trained in time, and his seniority would hold 756 captain so that's what he took.

I flew with a f/o on his last trip on the bus before he went to training for Guppy f/o. His training took so long he was able to take a bump to Captain on the Guppy. That is one screwed up training center in Houston.