Union coming at Flexjet!

[ArtVandalay]

I think we all know now that this is a necessary action given the current conditions, morale, and uncertain future at Flexjet. A vote will be coming very soon, please go to the website and print your card and mail it in ASAP. I encourage everyone to send their card in and secure the job protection that is now desperately needed given the latest data regarding the future of Flexjet. Don't be fooled, Fred will become even more rich regardless of what happens to us during this time of uncertainty. The lies, yes I said lies, that we were told has proven we cannot trust our management team any more. The silence is deafening from the office and our fear and dispair for recent events have gone unchecked by management. Do the right thing for all of us and your families and protect yourselves. At the very least, in the event of a takeover or buyout, we desperately need this protection and need it quickly. Do the right thing guys and gals, lets get it done this time.


http://ibt1108.org/Docs/Teamsters Local 1108 Authorization Card.pdf

 

[ultrarunner]

As much as I will hate to see it, I predict that Bombardier will shed itself of it's Flexjet customer-base long before there is a vote.

 

[be99fr8dog]

Just FYI. Bill Noe (President NJA North America) announced this week that the purchase of globals includes a non-compete clause with Flex Jet. Meaning that Flex cannot operate any of the aircraft NJ purchases. So it would be in Flex's best interests to organize ASAP.

 

[Jack Campbell]

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[ArtVandalay]

The union vote right now is critical, it is the only thing we have left. Obviously, our parent company could care less about us and don't get me started on the lying, fear mongering Fred. We need to vote this in ASAP, do not allow management the time to organize a defense.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Just FYI. Bill Noe (President NJA North America) announced this week that the purchase of globals includes a non-compete clause with Flex Jet. Meaning that Flex cannot operate any of the aircraft NJ purchases. So it would be in Flex's best interests to organize ASAP.

Maybe a stupid question, but does that work both ways? In other words, NJA can't operate aircraft that Flex already has? Or is this just some rumor?

 

[jonjuan]

Maybe a stupid question, but does that work both ways? In other words, NJA can't operate aircraft that Flex already has? Or is this just some rumor?

That's just for the Globals.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Just FYI. Bill Noe (President NJA North America) announced this week that the purchase of globals includes a non-compete clause with Flex Jet. Meaning that Flex cannot operate any of the aircraft NJ purchases. So it would be in Flex's best interests to organize ASAP.

Do you have a source you can Post for this? Was it in an article or something?

 

[FastJP4]

I hate to say it, but Flexjet is toast - union or no union. Not toast because of the pilots, but because of the management. Pilots can do everything right, work their tails off and in the end, still be on the outside wondering what happened because of management.

Case in point is the difference between Flexjet and Netjets. While Flexjet management cowers behind the wall of ultra conservatism, Netjets has had a constant eye on the past, present and future. Flex is going around looking to pick up scraps from Netjets, and hoping for the occasional pick up of a customer. Netjets on the other hand has expanded - expanded with NJ Europe, NJ Middle East and they're looking to expand heavily into China and India. They have seen the worldwide market expanding, and have been expanding with it. While the management of Flexjet dangles the "Global carrot", and the kool-aid drinkers swig the juice - nothing has ever happened and never will.

When FG came aboard, the fat lady started clearing her throat. With the direction things are going, she's now singing her melody. Fred and Flex management have cowered in a corner while the business jet world flew by. Don't worry though, no doubt Fred has his Golden Parachute to bail out with regardless if Bombardier divests itself or just scraps Flex. The fat lady is singing loudly now, if you can't hear her - you're just deaf or drowing yourself in kool-aid.

 

[Seahawk]

No union can fix this problem!

 

[G200_PILOT]

Union or no union, know that we're going to everything we can to protect our 495 furloughed brothers and sisters. Not trying to be a dick, just sayin'. Anyone here would hopefully do the same thing if the tables were turned.

 

[Grizz]

The issue Flex pilots face is that without a union, the current company management team will represent their interests in the case of a merger or acquisition.

What do you think will win out - the interests of the pilots or the need to close a major sale of aircraft?

 

[guido411]

The issue Flex pilots face is that without a union, the current company management team will represent their interests in the case of a merger or acquisition.

What do you think will win out - the interests of the pilots or the need to close a major sale of aircraft?

Same question but assume there IS a union in place. Who wins out? NJASAP that is however many 1000's strong with a good CBA or Teamsters Flex with its few hundred members and no CBA?

The time to organize was about 5 years ago. Good luck Flex.

 

[Grizz]

If still rather have the Teamsters representing me than Flexjet management.

 

[jetmaster727]

Owner says to pilot; "know why I fly with Flex rather than Net; cheaper, Lears, customer service." Hates the "Slowtation".

Just sayin!

 

[G200_PILOT]

Owner says to pilot; "know why I fly with Flex rather than Net; cheaper, Lears, customer service." Hates the "Slowtation".

Just sayin!

So all you want to do is have a pissing match at this point? Customer service? Really? Get a clue.

 

[CA1900]

Owner says to pilot; "know why I fly with Flex rather than Net; cheaper, Lears, customer service." Hates the "Slowtation".

It's a shame we don't have Hawkers, Falcons, Gulfstreams, or the 0.92M "Slowtation" to give him some options. Oh, wait...

 

[G200_PILOT]

I like the "cheaper" part myself. The smart owners know that you always get what you pay for.

 

[Photoflight]

Always thought flex was more expensive than other fracs?

Either way I bet the post office is happy to have the business this week!

 

[Outta Here]

Owner says to pilot; "know why I fly with Flex rather than Net; cheaper, Lears, customer service." Hates the "Slowtation".

Just sayin!

Thats the exact opposite of what the Flex owner/ Nejets owners said while I flew him last month. He had both shares the flex share was for his business and his personal was a NJA share.

 

[stalker]

Sad to see the people at flex still do not have a union. Me and two others mailed out union cards back in 2000 when I worked there. We tried our best to educate the koolies of the need a long time ago. Best of luck!

 

[B19 Flyer]

The union vote right now is critical, it is the only thing we have left. Obviously, our parent company could care less about us and don't get me started on the lying, fear mongering Fred. We need to vote this in ASAP, do not allow management the time to organize a defense.

I'll translate this for all of you... "Please drink the koolaide, the unions have lost too many members lately and the bank account is shrinking."

 

[B19 Flyer]

Union or no union, know that we're going to everything we can to protect our 495 furloughed brothers and sisters. Not trying to be a dick, just sayin'. Anyone here would hopefully do the same thing if the tables were turned.

Bang those drums and protect those 495. Sounds great right up until "open the contract to reduce costs to the point of which some or all of the 495 could come back".


Those 495 know they were sacrificed to protect the contract and all those senior pilots.

 

[B19 Flyer]

The issue Flex pilots face is that without a union, the current company management team will represent their interests in the case of a merger or acquisition.

What do you think will win out - the interests of the pilots or the need to close a major sale of aircraft?

Answer the question Grizz. Which will keep the company the most stable? Increasing costs or increasing sales?

The company can and will survive without a union, but it can't survive without the sales.

 

[B19 Flyer]

If still rather have the Teamsters representing me than Flexjet management.

That's because you seem to need somebody to represent you. That's the union mentality, you're not alone so there is no need to feel bad about it..
Just leave it up to somebody else to make the decisions for you.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I like the "cheaper" part myself. The smart owners know that you always get what you pay for.

Smart owners know that "cheaper" means that the non-union company can provide an equal or better product than the union company because they are not bound to a contract which will artificially drive up costs and inhibit the company from growth from artificial boundaries and thus be more stable.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Sad to see the people at flex still do not have a union. Me and two others mailed out union cards back in 2000 when I worked there. We tried our best to educate the koolies of the need a long time ago. Best of luck!

It's clear that the rest of the pilots recognized that remaining non-union was better for their future.

Look at what's happening nationwide as union membership falls.

Wisconsin is only the beginning, the 9 groups voted down at Delta.. the NFL... yes, the American Public is beginning to fight back against the oppression and high cost that unions have wreaked across this country.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Those 495 know they were sacrificed to protect the contract and all those senior pilots.

Absolutley the most ignorant and asenine post you have written yet, B!

Oh, B, do tell how us your reasoning that they were sacrificed when the company overhired, the economy tanked, the company continued to spend and spend until our company was one day from solvency? Top it off, the individuals previously running this company did not see it coming?

That's right, the damned contract and the the damned union. Blame them. Its all their fault!

Get your head out of your union bashing posterior and maybe, just maybe, we can engage in an intelligent conversation. Prove your statement with facts, B, and I'll stop riding you.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Those 495 know they were sacrificed to protect the contract and all those senior pilots.

Since when do you speak for me? And where do you get off thinking you know what I or the other 481 furloughees think?

That's some nerve B19. I've watched your ramblings for some time but have never chimed in. I've allowed you the right the speak your mind at will. However, do not assume that you speak for me or even remotely think you know how I feel.



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[CALRepublic]

B19, we work in a industry ruled by unions, some people here agree with some of the things you post, myself included, but kind its of taboo to admit you have a point whenever it is you have a point, again due to the fact that our industry is heavely unionized ....

With that being said, let me ask you a question. What would you like to see or what would you like done If you were a Flex Jet pilot?? any advice for our Flex jet friends?

Union bashing is all you do. We know how you feel about unions, now how about suggesting something with substance that might help the Flex-jet guys?? You're like Sarah Palin, a lot of monday morning quarterbacking but not much else...