Union busting, bigblue style.

[pilotyip]

Hey yip, in your honest opinion, who has ruined more companies, unions or management?

Equal opportunity many destroyed by both sides. unions limit a company's flexibility and is why the UAW companaies lost ground to the Japanesse auto makers.

 

[tico]

I think when the resource is expensive the users of it are careful with it...when it
is not and there are no repercussions for wasting it
only in rare cases does it not get wasted......Flexibility is almost always an excuse for piss-poor prior planning.....Ability is almost always missing in those managers that rely on flexibility for profitability......That video is exactly what is wrong with large segments of corporate America.....good luck blue dudes

 

[BeachBummer]

Equal opportunity many destroyed by both sides. unions limit a company's flexibility and is why the UAW companaies lost ground to the Japanesse auto makers.

Pilots... Just a bunch of wrench turning day laborers... Love it.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Pilots... Just a bunch of wrench turning day laborers... Love it.

Go online at airlinepilotcentral.com. One guy on there compared pilots to Hostess Twinkie makers.

 

[pilotyip]

I think when the resource is expensive the users of it are careful with it...when it
is not and there are no repercussions for wasting it
only in rare cases does it not get wasted......Flexibility is almost always an excuse for piss-poor prior planning.....Ability is almost always missing in those managers that rely on flexibility for profitability......That video is exactly what is wrong with large segments of corporate America.....good luck blue dudes

sample of the difference between a UAW auto plant and Toyota plant.

Old union joke at GM, how many union members did it take to change light bulb? Five, 1 electrician to turn off the power, 1 equipment resource person to get the light bulb, 1 equip set up specialist to erect the ladder, 1 ladder climbing rigger to climb the ladder and install the light bulb, and 1 Hazardous Waste disposal technician to dispose of the old light bulb. How many at a Toyota plant? The guy who saw it burned out. It was the 76 worker classifications that the union demanded that added to the demise by increasing over head cost compared to the non-union competition. BTW I really don?t care what anyone does, but they should be exposed to both sides

 

[sniper]

UAL, NWA, etc. GM, Chrysler, USSteel, should I go on?

Managers run companies not the unions

Managers get the credit when things go well as they should get they blame when things go bad


wake up

 

[Fins Up]

Equal opportunity many destroyed by both sides. unions limit a company's flexibility and is why the UAW companaies lost ground to the Japanesse auto makers.

You're right on the flexibility thing. Right now our company has to flexibility to do just about anything they want. They can gut health care, institute new policies via email overnight, take away duty rigs ("13:30s" in this case), ignore FSM governance procedures that they themselves signed, give you a choice on whether or not to sign a particular new policy ("5 docs" including DRM) and then have it written into a contract whether you said yes or no,... I could go on.

Nobody likes the "angry union guy" who is a nightmare to fly with because he just b!tches for four days straight. Fortunately, most of us in favor of obtaining representation and a CBA are more moderate than hardline. I will say, however, that with all the crap the company is doing to us this year, there are a lot more "angry" pilots here than there used to be. Whose fault is that?

So this flexibility that the company enjoys is good for them and bad for us. And all that's about to come to an end. I look forward to getting to work on our first CBA.

All this comes from a military/republican/former "unions are evil" guy. I never thought I'd be pro-ALPA but things change. "A comany gets the union it deserves."

 

[HRDiva]

All this comes from a military/republican/former "unions are evil" guy. I never thought I'd be pro-ALPA but things change. "A comany gets the union it deserves."

Wow, you echoed my comment on this on another board the other day. I said that I never thought that, as a member of management, I'd say this. But you need a union fast! Companies that experience union drives in this day and age deserve it, in my opinion because they don't do it right.

By that I don't mean always giving raises and benefits. Even if you have to deliver bad news, there is a way to do it. I once worked for a company that had a school for kids thrown out of the system that was licensed by the state with a July 1 contact. They had it forever. But in March they learned they had competition for the next contract. Everyone, including the VP of HR (who had no HR training but was just promoted) said to keep it hush-hush. I disagreed and won. We explained it, staff gave ideas to improve the renewal application. Guess what? The state loved it and everyone kept their jobs!

 

[BentOver]

So your telling me the last Union drive was defeated by two fat chicks and a four eyed nerd.......


Get your sh.it together and defeat these 3 fu.ckers.... They basically collected an award for defeating a Union drive that would allow the pilots to have a voice

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

So your telling me the last Union drive was defeated by two fat chicks and a four eyed nerd.......


Get your sh.it together and defeat these 3 fu.ckers.... They basically collected an award for defeating a Union drive that would allow the pilots to have a voice

What does that tell you about this pilot group? Fortunately this new PEA is probably going to be the last nail in the coffin for the DR.