Ugly and Unexpected Attrition at Horizon

[Capi_Cafre']

70 new-hires, now through Spring 08 to deal with the just-discovered (by management) fact that "the industry is recovering and it appears the hiring slump of post 2001 is definitely over."

Ya think?

Can the puppy farms churn 'em out that quickly? Sounds like anyone with any combination of experience and brains would be looking elsewhere.

 

[olympus593]

Lots of pilot want to work here, I have a drawer full of poolies just waiting for the call. You will just have to wait in line like everyone else. Go to js.firm or 350 to post a resume and we will try to get you on the interview schedule before Thanksgiving. That is about the time when our next interview schedule has an opening. Fine airline jobs, like good wine are not served before thier time.

35K on cal 24/7 i'm so exited...D-I-P-S-H-I-T

 

[propsarebest]

Heh...in 2005, freakin' Mesa was the ATW Regional Airline of the Year. :nuts:

I'm one of the people who bailed from Horizon over the last month...I was there 3.5 years and I was a tad over halfway to upgrade. I think it's an indication of QX management's insularity that the attrition caught them off guard. They believe enough of their own press that they can't imagine why anybody would go work anywhere else...

That has been QX's "problem" for a long time now- they bury their head in the sand and then get hit by a truck. Sad.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Pilot Shortage My Azz!

There is only a shortage of pilots willing to work for crap wages. The well-paying outfits are having NO trouble attracting well-qualified applicants. None.

Nobody is parking airplanes or cutting service for lack of crews. The regionals are certainly feeling the pressure though.

 

[pilotyip]

Only to start

35K on cal 24/7 i'm so exited...D-I-P-S-H-I-T

35K only to start. Most are up to $50-$60 range after a couple years. Remember this is a entry level job where you get the skills to move onto a carer position. You to pay your dues someplace, this is only one of the many options. This is where you get the skills to go from CFI to Netjets, AirTran, etc as many of our low time starting pilots have done We have many pilots who are not going anywhere because they actually like the lifestyle. Few pilots spend more time at home than than a USA pilot who lives to the YIP area. So control your excitment. I will PM you an email address so you can start your on-line application.

 

[pilotyip]

There is only a shortage of pilots willing to work for crap wages. The well-paying outfits are having NO trouble attracting well-qualified applicants. None.

Nobody is parking airplanes or cutting service for lack of crews. The regionals are certainly feeling the pressure though.

What is a crap wage, I looked my Payroll Management book and could not find the definition?

 

[DGdaPilot]

Nobody is parking airplanes or cutting service for lack of crews. The regionals are certainly feeling the pressure though.

Yes we are. Eagle is starting to park the Saab fleet. They just unlocked the training freeze on prop newhires too so they can go to the jet if they want (read: more profitable flying for AMR).

 

[DrewBlows]

35K only to start. Most are up to $50-$60 range after a couple years. Remember this is a entry level job where you get the skills to move onto a carer position. You to pay your dues someplace, this is only one of the many options. This is where you get the skills to go from CFI to Netjets, AirTran, etc as many of our low time starting pilots have done We have many pilots who are not going anywhere because they actually like the lifestyle. Few pilots spend more time at home than than a USA pilot who lives to the YIP area. So control your excitment. I will PM you an email address so you can start your on-line application.

Hey Yip, what are the current minimums at USAJet? What kind of experience do most new hires have? Are people starting at Pinnicle or Mesaba and coming over? The other way around? Are you hiring mostly CFIs?

 

[Metro752]

USA Jet, 1 Hour Call Out!

 

[ReverseSensing]

Sounds like anyone with any combination of experience and brains would be looking elsewhere.

I won't share verbatim what QX's chief pilot recently wrote a skeptical co-worker, but I'll paraphrase:

- More people are coming to QX from other regionals than the other way around.

- We have it so good here at QX compared to other regionals, it's no contest.

- We'd hire a lot more UND grads if other regionals weren't taking them with less time.

- Quit your bitchin' and pick up some green time. (Okay, he didn't actually say that, but he was thinking it, I'm sure.)

- We're doing a fantastic job in management at QX, and we know this because managers at other regionals tell us so.

In general, our leaders are offering typical management pablum: So insulated from the life of a line pilot, they can't even detect when they've started to sound silly.

 

[regionaltard]

- We'd hire a lot more UND grads if other regionals weren't taking them with less time.

Like Johnnie Cochran once said: "If the classes will not fill, the minimums will go lower still." "Regional Pilot" will be a class at UND before this is all over.

 

[pilotyip]

don't jump the gun,

 

[NEDude]

hint: 60 or 90 bucks an hour for an A320/A319 Captain is not anything resembling competitive

60 an hour for a captain on an A320? I make almost that much as a first year F/O on the 'bus.

That has been QX's "problem" for a long time now- they bury their head in the sand and then get hit by a truck. Sad.

QX has a lot of company in that regard.

In general, our leaders are offering typical management pablum: So insulated from the life of a line pilot, they can't even detect when they've started to sound silly.

Perfectly put. May I use that quote?

 

[pilotyip]

whoops wrong button[

 

[pilotyip]

answers?

I won't share verbatim what QX's chief pilot recently wrote a skeptical co-worker, but I'll paraphrase:

- More people are coming to QX from other regionals than the other way around.

- We have it so good here at QX compared to other regionals, it's no contest.

- We'd hire a lot more UND grads if other regionals weren't taking them with less time.

- Quit your bitchin' and pick up some green time. (Okay, he didn't actually say that, but he was thinking it, I'm sure.)

- We're doing a fantastic job in management at QX, and we know this because managers at other regionals tell us so.

In general, our leaders are offering typical management pablum: So insulated from the life of a line pilot, they can't even detect when they've started to sound silly.

If you have the answers, why are you not stepping into manamgent to make the place better? Anyone can identify problems, but few poeple have solutions.