UAX Letter to UAL Pilots over jumpseat dispute.

[Ski Bum]

A few thoughts from a SKYW Pilot.

1. Skywest pilots knew nothing of this letter until it was "sprung" on us that this is "our" plan of attack. Guess what...this is not "our" plan, but the jumpseat guy's plan. Skywest pilots didn't sign the letter and because we are not unified (union or not doesn't matter)...we are not UNIFIED... this will fail miserably. Some pilots will deny, others won't.

2. This is just a bluff by some inexperienced MEC's. They do not realize the REAL trouble that UAL is going through and the UAX MEC's think this issue has the same weight as people losing their jobs and not having enough money to pay the bills. This is an important issue, but not to a pilot group that has seen the devastation that UAL has.

3. Speaking of paying the bills...let no regional forget who pays theirs...it is the majors. As much as we "want" to be a real airline, we aren't. Independence and ExpressJet have proven how hard it is to live in the real world. Our paychecks might have the name of our companies on them, but if it weren't for the majors, we wouldn't get paychecks.

4. Not all UAX carriers signed this policy...take a look.

5. We need to get back to the Captain having some authority. A few years back you had to go down and get the PIC's signature on your jumpset card prior to getting on the aircraft. If there were 8 jumpseaters all of you had to get the captain to sign the card and decide who would get on the flight or not.

6. A jumpseat action is a no win situation.

 

[XPOO]

Sorry, I wasn't being belligerent. I wasn't speaking to your ability to jumpseat. I was speaking to your posting on matters dealing purely about pilot union matters. Anyways, I posted on here because if its a problem of one ALPA pilot, then its a problem for all ALPA pilots. But you wouldn't know about that, right?

Oh really? This is a UNION pilot matter only?

Anymore asinine statements you would like to make?

 

[bmpilot2003]

Bump!

 

[Nevets]

Oh really? This is a UNION pilot matter only?

Anymore asinine statements you would like to make?

I was talking about this asinine statement you made:

So you admit that SkyWest management is doing what every airline management team should do, and uphold the rights of their pilots? And at one heck of a savings, too. Didn't even cost the SkyWest pilot's 1.95% of their earnings and 401(k) to get it done.

Talk about being belligerent.

 

[XPOO]

I was talking about this asinine statement you made:



Talk about being belligerent.

You must suffer from selective post reading disorder. It's ok though, I probably should have selected not to read any of Formula's posts either.

 

[ROSWELL41]

After reading the UAL MEC response to this silly letter, it seems that SAPA and Co have picked a fight they may not be able to win.

 

[PCL_128]

After reading the UAL MEC response to this silly letter, it seems that SAPA and Co have picked a fight they may not be able to win.

Care to post the UAL MEC's response? Haven't seen it anywhere yet.

 

[BoilerUP]

Care to post the UAL MEC's response? Haven't seen it anywhere yet.

This one was on APC...

MEC Jumpseat Comm. Reminder on UAX Carrier Jumpseat Situation

MEC Jumpseat Committee Chairman Captain Bob Spadea would like to advise all United pilots that commute on our UAX carriers that you may be receiving a letter from the respective carrier's Jumpseat Committee the next time you request a jumpseat from the captain. In summary, this letter issues an ultimatum to the UALMEC and the Jumpseat Committee to resolve several jumpseat issues pertaining to computer programming software that sorts UAX pilots for jumpseats on UAX flights. According to the letter, if these problems are not resolved by July 31, 2008, jumpseats will be DENIED to United pilots.

The aforementioned problems have been identified and cannot be easily resolved due to the magnitude of the UAX operation. Some of these issues require software rewrites, manpower assignments and additional funding. In a series of face-to-face meetings between your Jumpseat Committee and the UAX jumpseat members, the parties were made fully aware of the complexity of these problems. They were also made aware of the limited resources, limited manpower and funds needed to correct these problems.

Your Jumpseat Committee is working with UA flight operations and UA management to inquire as to what alternatives can be implemented in resolving these problems. Keep in mind that we will not allow any carrier to use the jumpseat as a bargaining chip or leverage in meeting demands or forcing policies. In issuing this ultimatum to our MEC, these UAX carriers are 100% responsible for any consequences that may result from their course of action.

The UALMEC Jumpseat Committee will update you as appropriate.

 

[PCL_128]

A very professional, yet very clear, response from the UAL MEC. The UAX pilots are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[samballs]

HAHA!

I Like this Bob guy, he is basically saying on the 31st if the UAX carriers think they can fight us, lets kick their butts. UAL MEC will win this battle and just make things harder for you guys. I don't think this was the right way to go about this, maybe in good times, but right now the UAL pilots hate each and everyone of you UAX pilots, except when he needs to sit up front.