UAL Mgmt screws pilots again!

[Yuppyguppy]

Unreal. Is it ever going to end? They are injecting "new language" that was not agreed to 4 weeks ago. It's also unbelieveable how Jeff is trying to "breed out UAL legacy pilots with the latest system bid at CAL. 451 vacancies at CAL 0 at UAL. FU JEFF! FU FRED! YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THE BULL********************.

 

[Flyer1015]

Can you give more details on these 451 vacancies at CAL? And what will this mean for UAL furloughees?

 

[tie1on]

Time to burn the place down, Jeff and friends need to go

 

[Varmint]

FU JEFF! FU FRED! YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THE BULL********************.

Just curious....what is gonna be done about it so they don't get away with it?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Just curious....what is gonna be done about it so they don't get away with it?

Blue and white flu, empty wide body's don't make much profit....anybody that didn't see this coming right off of the F&H play book wasn't looking very hard.

 

[Andy]

Just curious....what is gonna be done about it so they don't get away with it?

Request a 30 day cooling off period and continue with strike preparations.

Whether or not we're released to strike isn't the critical point of such an exercise ... the lost bookings due to the strike threat should concern management.

 

[Andy]

Can you give more details on these 451 vacancies at CAL? And what will this mean for UAL furloughees?

Read the last couple of pages of the UAL/CAL News (for those interested) thread.

 

[pilotyip]

Request a 30 day cooling off period and continue with strike preparations.

Whether or not we're released to strike isn't the critical point of such an exercise ... the lost bookings due to the strike threat should concern management.

yea just like 2000

 

[johnsonrod]

Sure seems that way. CAL guys seem to get the bulk of the early integration benefits while UAL guys languish. I guess that's good news for my friends at CAL. I am sure Tilton is laughing all the way to the golf course...

 

[list2002]

At a loss of words... they really could give a sh!t. Why should we? Oh yeah, we're stuck at this steaming pile for our careers... IF we stay in business. Rules are rules, F the RLA.

 

[General Lee]

I saw the bid and it looks like they were moving more CAL 737 pilots to DEN, ORD, and LAX mainly. I think they had a UAL 320 bid for IAH, right? I think they are trying to avoid huge training costs by allowing people to move before the arbitrated SLI. If they did this bid afterwards and there weren't narrowbody fences etc, both L-UAL and L-CAL pilots might bid new planes and cost big bucks in training. This way, they already have CAL pilots happy with their planes and new bases, and no new vacancies for the next couple future bids. Interesting.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This Is all divide and conquer again....

Good luck UAL pilots.

 

[fam62c]

Request a 30 day cooling off period and continue with strike preparations.

Whether or not we're released to strike isn't the critical point of such an exercise ... the lost bookings due to the strike threat should concern management.

There are no lost booking until you are in a 30-day cooling off period and there is an actual strike deadline. The company will put out communications explaining this to the public. The company (and the public, if they read about it all they will forget it in 30 seconds) doesn't care about a strike vote or a request for a cooling off period because they know with the modern NMB that these gestures are meaningless.

You are never going to be allowed to strike because you are way too big.......I repeat, you are never going to be allowed to strike. You simply have to understand that the game has changed and it's never going back to the old rules. You may not like the way it is but that's not going to change reality.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Sure seems that way. CAL guys seem to get the bulk of the early integration benefits while UAL guys languish. I guess that's good news for my friends at CAL. I am sure Tilton is laughing all the way to the golf course...

Really? You must not be a CAL 756 pilot. UAL now has more 767 departures out of CAL's EWR hub than we do. Last summer we had around 10 per day, now we have 3-4 and UAL has 5 plus the 777 to BRU. IAH will lose all of their 764 flying to UAL 763s in a few months, hopefully bringing some flying back to EWR but probably more 6-day trips through UAL hubs. This bid is nothing more than a carrot from mgt to try to get us to pass the POS TA that is on its way, if they ever to agree to language. Of course they will threaten to pull it if we vote no. FUPM!

 

[Skyflyin]

You are never going to be allowed to strike because you are way too big.

As has been explained before, your wrong. There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well. If the company continues with their delaying tactics we WILL be released as long as we convince the NMB that in doing so we will not overly burden the transportation sector.

New meeting with the NMB on Sept. 5th. We shall see.

 

[pilotyip]

As has been explained before, your wrong. There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well. If the company continues with their delaying tactics we WILL be released as long as we convince the NMB that in doing so we will not overly burden the transportation sector.

New meeting with the NMB on Sept. 5th. We shall see.

yea just like 2000 and the industry leading contract, did wonderful things for the pilot corps.

 

[Skyflyin]

yea just like 2000 and the industry leading contract, did wonderful things for the pilot corps.

What ARE you blabbing about?

 

[nwaf16dude]

As has been explained before, your wrong. There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well. If the company continues with their delaying tactics we WILL be released as long as we convince the NMB that in doing so we will not overly burden the transportation sector.

New meeting with the NMB on Sept. 5th. We shall see.

The NMB doesn't clear you to strike, they clear you for "self-help.". The union then decides what self-help tactic to use. Whether its a general strike or something less doesn't matter. I dont necessarily agree, but the poster's point is that it's unlikely UCAL will be cleared for self-help.

 

[Skyflyin]

I dont necessarily agree, but the poster's point is that it's unlikely UCAL will be cleared for self-help.

I understand what he is saying. He is wrong. From what I'm hearing from our reps the NMB is growing tired of the company's delaying tactics.

Like I said, we shall see.

 

[pilotyip]

What ARE you blabbing about?

The 35% raise that was supposed to take place starting in 2000, it was over a number of years. Job action short of strike to get managements attention. Drop off in pax loads, followed by 9-11 the next year, followed by BK shortly thereafter, that is what I was blabbing about. All covered by ATW.