UAL Mgmt screws pilots again!

[Skyflyin]

The 35% raise that was supposed to take place starting in 2000, it was over a number of years. Job action short of strike to get managements attention. Drop off in pax loads, followed by 9-11 the next year, followed by BK shortly thereafter, that is what I was blabbing about. All covered by ATW.

OK, but this is nothing like that. There is no job action, the damage to the company's reputation is being done to themselves by poor management (admitted by them). Also, there has been no significant load decrease despite the problems.

As far as a 9-11 type of event, there is always a chance of, but unlikely.

So, what is your point? Are you saying we shouldn't ask for any raises because the company needs our help and it might hurt the pilots in the long run?

OK, sure sure :nuts:

 

[pilotyip]

OK, but this is nothing like that. There is no job action, the damage to the company's reputation is being done to themselves by poor management (admitted by them). Also, there has been no significant load decrease despite the problems.

So, what is your point? Are you saying we shouldn't ask for any raises because the company needs our help and it might hurt the pilots in the long run?

OK, sure sure :nuts:

"There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well". This is not job action?

Go ahead push for raises in a company that is not profitable, just not sure how this is possible.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

"There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well". This is not job action?

Go ahead push for raises in a company that is not profitable, just not sure how this is possible.

Except for the fact that we are profitable now, and should be ridiculously profitable with competent management and an ISL. If Mgt wants the synergies of a merger, then they have to pay the piper. If they want to run us like UsAir to keep us under BK contracts indefinitely, they get the nightmare operation they've had since spring. Having 5 Europe flights a night out of an "outstation" (IAD) with no maintenance infrastructure, spare parts, planes or crews? Who thinks this crap up?

 

[ultrarunner]

I understand what he is saying. He is wrong. From what I'm hearing from our reps the NMB is growing tired of the company's delaying tactics.

Like I said, we shall see.

Regardless of what the NMB does, UAL-ALPA will never be able to implement any kind of self-help. The white-house just won't let a company this big face a shut down....

 

[Skyflyin]

"There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well". This is not job action?

Go ahead push for raises in a company that is not profitable, just not sure how this is possible.

You said job action before a strike, this is a job action after being released for a legal strike. Big difference.

As far a being profitable, how does over a billion sound over the last year?

Do you just blab to hear yourself talk? I think your name is appropriate, your just like a yippy dog that barks and barks, but doesn't know what he's barking about. Yip yip yip.

 

[Skyflyin]

Regardless of what the NMB does, UAL-ALPA will never be able to implement any kind of self-help. The white-house just won't let a company this big face a shut down....

The white house cannot stop it. They can delay it, but cannot stop it. Only Congress can impose a contract to stop a strike which has never happened to to any airline, ever.

 

[imacdog]

What ARE you blabbing about?

Probably just issues of never getting on with United. Sad really.

 

[nimtz]

"There is no rule saying the whole airline must strike at the same time. Coordinated strikes of different individual flights would have a large affect as well". This is not job action?

Go ahead push for raises in a company that is not profitable, just not sure how this is possible.

Is that you Fredrick Abbott?

 

[pilotyip]

Probably just issues of never getting on with United. Sad really.

Believe it or not, the best thing that ever happen to me was not being hired at UAL when I interviewed in 1996. At the time I was deeply disappointed after the Stuke monster’s questioning of "Why did you get a "C" in Differential Equations in the Spring of 1963". But looking back at what happened at UAL post 1996, JUS has been a much better ride. I would have never make Captain before I turned 60 in 2003, I would have taken a pay cut and had a pension torn apart in the BK. Then find my self unemployed at age 60. No I never made it to the "Show", but it has been a fantastic ride and I don't if I would change much.

 

[pilotyip]

your just like a yippy dog that barks and barks, but doesn't know what he's barking about. Yip yip yip.

Very funny, no Yip stands for KYIP, at one time the largest airport in the world in terms of paved runways. The airport that was built to defeat Hitler and allow you to be anything you want to be and live under Nazi rule. It is the Heart and Soul of "How Detroit Saved the World" Just in case you didn't know that stuff.

 

[Flopgut]

Believe it or not, the best thing that ever happen to me was not being hired at UAL when I interviewed in 1996. At the time I was deeply disappointed after the Stuke monster’s questioning of "Why did you get a "C" in Differential Equations in the Spring of 1963". But looking back at what happened at UAL post 1996, JUS has been a much better ride. I would have never make Captain before I turned 60 in 2003, I would have taken a pay cut and had a pension torn apart in the BK. Then find my self unemployed at age 60. No I never made it to the "Show", but it has been a fantastic ride and I don't if I would change much.

Ok. You got to say what you were dying to tell us.

 

[pilotyip]

Ok. You got to say what you were dying to tell us.

yea that for those hired after 1996 at UAL, JUS would have been a better deal like it has been for our UAL furloughee, who says he is never going back. He has it it to good at JUS. He makes more money, he is home almost every night, and likes living within driving distance of his base.

 

[Uncle Bort]

What is the new language mgt is trying to inject? I just read a letter from Fred saying everything is going fine with hammering out the TA and Jay Pierce says the same and is happy about the bid.

 

[eaglesview]

What is the new language mgt is trying to inject? I just read a letter from Fred saying everything is going fine with hammering out the TA and Jay Pierce says the same and is happy about the bid.

HMMM Fred and Jay Piece on the same page.....and we wonder why the UAL side doesn't trust either of them.

 

[Flopgut]

HMMM Fred and Jay Piece on the same page.....and we wonder why the UAL side doesn't trust either of them.

You need to give m e an email so I can send you Jay P's updates, because evidently you are not getting them.

The CAL negotiating Committee can handle dismissing new language attempts by Fred. They have perfected this by spending over a year finding the easter eggs senior UAL ALPA tried to stick in the contract. Things that only served those hired at UAL in 85.

It is shocking how little you guys know.

 

[Flopgut]

From Jay P's 8-31 update:

"Other business of the MECs was related to language-writing for the TA. In joint closed session, the MECs received extensive briefings from the JNC on the status of language-writing. We have grown concerned that management has not maintained their focus on completing the TA. In order to make sure that pressure is applied, we asked the NMB to once again actively mediate the differences that remain. Based on this request, the NMB instructed the parties to meet under its supervision in Washington, D.C. next week and solve the outstanding issues. This is a positive development and one that we welcome. Work also continued with the joint communications plan, which was presented to the MECs. The outline of the event-based timeline (the event in question being the TA) was discussed, as were plans for town hall meetings, web-based information, videos, crew room visits, etc."

He is certainly not agreeing with Fred.