UAL Merger Comte Msg

[seanoldd]

IMO, what is brought to the table (widebody Captain seats) has a DIRECT correlation to career expectations.

From APC

UAL 12 year 767 CA = $159
CAL 12 year 737-800 CA = $169

I don't see the correlation

 

[Fly2AK]

UAL wants this merger so bad then there is no reason for me to give up my (CAL) scope. He is the one that wants it let him give up his BS outsourcing!! Burn it down otherwise.

I'm with ya, scope is #1 priority!! If everyone can focus on these core issues the rest will work themselves out.

 

[Fly2AK]

From APC

UAL 12 year 767 CA = $159
CAL 12 year 737-800 CA = $169

I don't see the correlation

Isn't it time to stop bickering amongst ourselves and work together so what 159 vs 169 those numbers will be irrelevent. I make 146 an hour on a 737-800 as an FO and that is first year pay, you want to compare rates and strive for a goal then lets work towards a common goal a JCBA. Right now airline management has walked all over the pilot groups because of this kind of petty crap, like I said who cares who's dad can beat up who, stop acting like children and for once in your career work as a unified voice. I am currently working for a new airline over seas and making a lot more than the US carriers are paying. I want to make it back to United new or old one day but it would be nice if we didn't follow in the shoes of US Airways/AWA and actually lead by example! Everyone need to get off their high horse and recapture our careers and this is the opportunity and time to do it! Let me just add to your statistic,

B777 Capt UAL 190
B777 Capt CAL 193
B777 Capt DAL 209

Now would you rather stick with CAL pay or have completely new rates using DAL as a foundation in which to build on? Seems pretty simple to me!

 

[eaglesview]

From APC

UAL 12 year 767 CA = $159
CAL 12 year 737-800 CA = $169

I don't see the correlation

UAL B fund 16% If your going to through numbers out put out the whole picture.

Like it or not we are about to be one company. Our management would like nothing more than to see this bickering going on. I hope we are smarter than that.

 

[seanoldd]

Isn't it time to stop bickering amongst ourselves and work together so what 159 vs 169 those numbers will be irrelevent. I make 146 an hour on a 737-800 as an FO and that is first year pay, you want to compare rates and strive for a goal then lets work towards a common goal a JCBA. Right now airline management has walked all over the pilot groups because of this kind of petty crap, like I said who cares who's dad can beat up who, stop acting like children and for once in your career work as a unified voice. I am currently working for a new airline over seas and making a lot more than the US carriers are paying. I want to make it back to United new or old one day but it would be nice if we didn't follow in the shoes of US Airways/AWA and actually lead by example! Everyone need to get off their high horse and recapture our careers and this is the opportunity and time to do it! Let me just add to your statistic,

B777 Capt UAL 190
B777 Capt CAL 193
B777 Capt DAL 209

Now would you rather stick with CAL pay or have completely new rates using DAL as a foundation in which to build on? Seems pretty simple to me!

I agree. I take it back

 

[tomgoodman]

A Mooooot point

Really every airline is dying, at some point.

Unfortunately, it does appear that most of the herd has stampeded over a cliff, with each cow vigorously flapping its hooves and tail in an effort to hit the ground last.

 

[eaglesview]

Unfortunately, it does appear that most of the herd has stampeded over a cliff, with each cow vigorously flapping its hooves and tail in an effort to hit the ground last.

Interesting mental picture.

 

[Fly2AK]

All I hope is that we can all work together and try to improve ALL our lives. We have been beat up for the last decade and it is time for us to push the lines back not just hold the line we need to recapture lost ground and we can only do this together! I know I sound like a broken record but I hope we can all stop the bickering and work together as a unified pilot group! See you when I return from the desert!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

STOP THE ARGUING NOW!!! Let's take back....TOGETHER! Only United will we win a great contract stay divided we will lose out on perhaps the biggest opportunity in recent decades.

 

[DB Cooper]

Don't worry guys. I'm sure the respective MEC's and Merger committee's don't read these boards and are staying level headed.

DB

 

[dcfu69]

What are the opinions about scope? Do you guys think CAL scope will remain or will UAL? I hope CAL scope stays with the merger

 

[Deerkiller]

What are the opinions about scope? Do you guys think CAL scope will remain or will UAL? I hope CAL scope stays with the merger

My opinion is they had better figure out a way to operate w/o 70 seaters w/ "Express" on the side. I've got no problem w/ them if they only say "United."

 

[densoo]

What are the opinions about scope? Do you guys think CAL scope will remain or will UAL? I hope CAL scope stays with the merger

If the past is any indicator, it'll go down in the first round. 274 RJs early in the decade kept 2,000 pilots off the mainline list then, infinite 70-seat Q400s are doing that now, so it seems to be a bit of moot point anyway.

Scope affects the bottom of the list in the short term (note 1500 furloughed at UAL) and they have never taken care of the bottom of the list. No medical, five year pay scales, reserve rules, are about the worst in the industry. Open time pickup and vacation waive keep 147 guys off the property each and every day.

If they get a hint of a whiff of a scent that they're going to lose retirement benefits as was the case in C'02 (or lose the lump sum option), or if they're offered an immediate payout of the A-Plan in exchange for scope, it'll go down like a tased baseball fan.

 

[rumrunner300]

Or to paraphrase, "pilots currently furloughed from a dying company will not be able to steal the careers from pilots currently employed at a healthy one." At least that's how I interpret that, here's hoping the arbitrator does too.

I agreed with you right up until GT flat out admitted that UAL was "rightsized" for a merger with the permissible inference being that the parking of the 737's at United was done for no other reason than to facilitate that merger.

I get it, bottom of one, bottom of the new one; I still agree with that premise. However, if it comes down to a tiebreaker, or giving a guy a boost, I want the fact that the United guys bore the brunt of it to be recognized.

If you are unable or unwilling to at least acknowledge the legitimacy of the argument, at least keep your mouth shut. However, you are of course permitted to forward a non-circular argument in favor of your position in the interest of intelligent discourse.

rr

 

[Tail Gunner Joe]

... giving a guy a boost, I want the fact that the United guys bore the brunt of it to be recognized...

rr

By "brunt of it" - do you mean the brunt of Tilton?
and by "boost" - do you mean give a United guy a boost to make up for Tilton's incompetence.

And isn't "boosting" United, stepping on Continental's "Career Expectations"?