UAL MEC standing tough for tighter Scope---listen up United Express people...

[General Lee]

Keep hanging tough UAL and CAL pilots! YOU CAN DO IT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Funny how you posted this, seeing that you and your Delta brothers have the loosest scope in the industry. You really are a tool, spending half your life on this message board and posting this on the regional thread just to piss people off. Think it's about time the Delta MEC takes a stand on the scope problems they created! YOU CAN DO IT, but probably not on flightinfo.

OOOOH, sooo sorry. I think you need a WAMBULENCE...... Gimme a break. The RJ crowd has had it too good for too long thanks to 9-11 and some BKs. It's time to retake some of that flying, which will be good for everyone except you and the other lifers who don't want to go the "normal" route and interview to fly larger planes that pay more. Noooo, you want those planes handed to you, and you will do it for less. Yeah, that's you. And, I enjoy this board, and I also enjoy other things in life. But, you don't want people to do anything that they enjoy. You are miserable. Go ahead, keep sucking that tailpipe of yours in the garage. I bet you are good at it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bluefin]

I think we would be having a lot more incidents/accidents if Mainline had Express schedules and hotels. The fact that Express pilots work in such a tough enviroment is testiment to how safe/proficient we actually are. Give a mainline crew an express schedule for a month and see what they have to say about us then. Prater??? Anyone Prater??? Take my schedule for a month?

Been there, done that got the t-shirt, go cry to someone else!!!!

 

[TWA69]

Did you just reply to my post twice? You should take your mouth off the "tailpipe in your garage" and put it to better use on your "travel companion"!! I am all for tightening scope, I saw the routes I flew on the DC9, which had about the same number of seats that the Delta pilots now allow to be flown by the regionals, go to RJ's overnight. The problem I have with you is that you are on this board to create turmoil and further divide fellow pilots when the only way to beat the race to the bottom created by the million dollar managers, and poor ALPA negotiators, is to unify. You must either have a drinking problem, or be a hairy palmed computer dork hunched over your laptop trying to reclaim the attention you never got in high school. Happy trails, and good luck to you. Hopefully you find some kind of peace or at least a new hobby.

 

[General Lee]

Did you just reply to my post twice? You should take your mouth off the "tailpipe in your garage" and put it to better use on your "travel companion"!! I am all for tightening scope, I saw the routes I flew on the DC9, which had about the same number of seats that the Delta pilots now allow to be flown by the regionals, go to RJ's overnight. The problem I have with you is that you are on this board to create turmoil and further divide fellow pilots when the only way to beat the race to the bottom created by the million dollar managers, and poor ALPA negotiators, is to unify. You must either have a drinking problem, or be a hairy palmed computer dork hunched over your laptop trying to reclaim the attention you never got in high school. Happy trails, and good luck to you. Hopefully you find some kind of peace or at least a new hobby.

You obviously haven't been on this board long. This board is here to provide rumors, assist with hiring advice, and for entertainment reasons. Don't feel hurt if you think you were slammed, because you probably were. This is an anonymous board for gawd's sake.

As far as letting scope go, you should know more than anyone on here that BK doesn't help any situation. Slamming certain pilots that had to endure the same as you is dumb. Hopefully the tide is turning and some of those routes and planes will come back to mainline flying. You need to chillax.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dornier 335]

I think we would be having a lot more incidents/accidents if Mainline had Express schedules and hotels. The fact that Express pilots work in such a tough enviroment is testiment to how safe/proficient we actually are. Give a mainline crew an express schedule for a month and see what they have to say about us then. Prater??? Anyone Prater??? Take my schedule for a month?

Right on, bro! In addition to that I'd like to hear the mainline pilots tell us how we are supposed to accumulate the experience required by the majors for employment. That's one point they'll never mention when it comes to that damn RJ/mainline debate. The mainline pilots have done a good job in dividing this pilot group into the worthy ones (those flying for a legacy carrier and oblivious to anything else) and not-worthy ones (RJ guys).

This bb is full of RJ-haters that blame us for their everyday problem, and accuse us of unprofessionalism etc. It is easier to point the finger at someone else.

 

[79%N1]

Once again Idiot Lee stalking the regional boards to do nothing but antagonize a group of people for no other reason that make himself feel superior. What joy do you derive from constantly poking people with a stick and to point out how you feel their demise is so imminent and deserved??? It us honestly a sickness. No different than a schoolyard bully. I'm certain you are compensating for some deficiency in you life.

 

[tmac3333]

Dornier --

I thought of 3 in about 5 seconds.

1) Military
2) Flight Instruct
3) Charter

I never flew an RJ in my life before getting hired at Continental. Same with several in my class. I'm sorry you don't understand this. Enjoy your career at your regional, I hope it works out for you.

 

[Dornier 335]

I'm sorry you don't understand this.

Sounds to me that you're out of the loop in the civ world. Yeah right, getting hired w/ flight instructor experience only at a legacy carrier... nice try. This ain't Europe. I'd like to see the previous experience ratio of the new hires.

 

[Jetjockey]

In all fairness, I will be the first to stick up for a regional airline guy. I spent 10 years at a regional flying mostly turbo-props. That is the hardest flying I've ever done. In fact, it was much harder 20 years ago when a Metroliner was state of the art, and 9 legs in a day didn't seem to bad because Great Lakes was doing 12!

What irks most mainline guys is the excitement displayed when 100 737's get parked, and some class 1 A-holes run around ORD with guppykiller on their bags. I understand some pilots choose to fly at a regional airline as the final career stop. Just understand that you never really control your own destiny. Another airline and pilot group are the real ones in control. I realized that in 1998, and the writing on the wall was very clear then. While regional airlines have seen explosive growth post 9/11, the ceiling has been reached. The push for larger regional jets is what management drools over. It's only the scope clauses at major airlines that prevent this. I'm sure some guy at Republic sits there at altitude and thinks, the 717 pilot who used to fly this route got paid 3 times as much. Why am I not worth that?

That is the conundrum. A major airline pilot sees it as job stealing, the regional airline pilot sees it as mainline pilot limiting growth and income potential. ALPA has a very difficult problem serving 2 masters. There has to be a solution. I'd advocate bringing all flying into mainline, and protecting the pilots who are already flying that equipment. A huge undertaking. I could never understand the logic of "we have to interview them, and hire them". We are all flying the same damn passengers.

Bring all RJ operations into mainline. Figure out a seniority integration. Fence off that equipment so if super senior CRJ captain wants to stay on that equipment, he wont get bumped out. I've always believed there are solutions to every problem. Management loves this division. They profit off it handsomely. Look at the salaries and stock options they are paid. Are they that much smarter or more talented?

Everyone can agree on this, the race for the bottom has to stop. If you made it to the point of getting hired to fly passengers at an airline, you are worth more than what most regional airlines pay.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

OOOOH, sooo sorry. I think you need a WAMBULENCE...... Gimme a break. The RJ crowd has had it too good for too long thanks to 9-11 and some BKs. It's time to retake some of that flying, which will be good for everyone except you and the other lifers who don't want to go the "normal" route and interview to fly larger planes that pay more. Noooo, you want those planes handed to you, and you will do it for less. Yeah, that's you. And, I enjoy this board, and I also enjoy other things in life. But, you don't want people to do anything that they enjoy. You are miserable. Go ahead, keep sucking that tailpipe of yours in the garage. I bet you are good at it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Why should any of us have to "reinterview" to do the same flying of the same passengers we are ALREADY flying every day? Did you have to reinterview when you went from the narrowbody you were hired into to the mighty 767??? The day your type at mainline realizes we at the regionals are ALREADY FLYING the very SAME passengers you then take to Europe or wherever and quit thinking of us as incapable inferiors, we all might get somewhere together.