UAL MEC (daddy) has to warn pilots (children) to stop denying j.s. to jetblue pilots

[Snake]

What are the odds that someone on the list will show up? Sooner or later the denied will take it out on another pilot wearing the uniform of the airline. It has always worked that way.

In theory a workable pinpoint plan. In reality, it wouldn't make a difference.

You may be right to some extent, however, I have never taken out revenge on another pilot for the rude ways of his fellow employee. I still think this would work.

 

[Boeingman]

You may be right to some extent, however, I have never taken out revenge on another pilot for the rude ways of his fellow employee. I still think this would work.

Well, I guess the odds would be slim to none the offenders would actually show up. I still believe the jumpseat game players don't commute. Besides, I have enough crap in my flight bag!

You (and I) fit in the vast majority of pilots who can see beyond taking revenge on some poor slob just trying to get home or to work because of a prior jumpseat "incident".

I would suggest that name and the list be placed in the offenders crew room. In a nice public place. Nothing like a little peer pressure to change ones actions.

 

[Snake]

Well, I guess the odds would be slim to none the offenders would actually show up. I still believe the jumpseat game players don't commute. Besides, I have enough crap in my flight bag!

You (and I) fit in the vast majority of pilots who can see beyond taking revenge on some poor slob just trying to get home or to work because of a prior jumpseat "incident".

I would suggest that name and the list be placed in the offenders crew room. In a nice public place. Nothing like a little peer pressure to change ones actions.

I think that's a great idea. Let everyone know that pilot ABC has been a jackass. Problem would be permission of management for the right to post it in the crew room. As a life long commuter,I know how begging for a ride can sometime be a demeaning process made even rougher by rude gate agents and a bad ego in the left seat.

 

[Boeingman]

I think that's a great idea. Let everyone know that pilot ABC has been a jackass. Problem would be permission of management for the right to post it in the crew room. As a life long commuter,I know how begging for a ride can sometime be a demeaning process made even rougher by rude gate agents and a bad ego in the left seat.

Rude agents..............especially the ones who feel they own the cockpit jumpseat. Yes, I know what you mean.

Permission from management? hardly. Go to kinkos, print a list and make a thousand copies. A few kept in your suitcase to refresh the crew rooms as they are "accidently" dropped on tables, the floor, by the computers, in chair and mistakenly tacked to the walls should work just fine.

 

[Le Pilote]

Here I thought all the children were at the regionals. Thank you for enlightening me with this thread.

Those who use the jumpseat as a weapon against anyone but a scab does not deserve to have the authority to offer a ride. Jumpseating is a privledge we offer to one another as brothers and sisters in flight. It is not there so you can flex your proverbial muscles to the competition. Be honest with yourselves. If circumstances were different, it is very likely we could be working together under a certain company banner as equals rather than competitors.

I guess this is a bad time to ask the United pilots to push management for unlimited jumpseats?

A plus,

Le Pilote

 

[fatboyplt]

I think its along time overdue...unlimited J/S

Birdman
BTV

 

[Snake]

We can thank the mideast fanatics for our problems with the J/S today. I do think that a lot of airline management has taken advantage of post 9/11 TSA procedures to limit OAL employees, mainly pilots, from the use of the J/S. Hopefully, CASS will turn things around. And you are right Le Pilote, it should not be a political thing by some jackass who is sitting in the left seat.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

United has the biggest dumbass pilot group in the industry. Once again showing their slimy asses for all to see. Simply disgusting !

 

[Huggyu2]

As a furloughed UAL guy, does that include me? Gee, I hope not. During the short time I worked there, I commuted too. I was only denied the jumpseat twice, surprisingly both times on SWA. On one occassion, the gate agent was VERY apologetic, and said the Captain was an absolute jerk. UAL has a few of those too.
I'm sorry to see a few UAL Capts doing this. Yes, "captains authority" is important, but it shouldn't give you a license to steal. I'd sure like to see ALPA spank these guys for hosing the rest of our pilot brethren over.
Overall, though, there are a lot of UAL pilots that will go out of their way to help out a jumpseater.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

"United has the biggest dumbass pilot group in the industry. Once again showing their slimy asses for all to see. Simply disgusting!"

T J
Who do you think you are? 99.9% of these guys are decent, hard working people who may have been lead down the prime rose path by their mgmt., union, or whoever. There are jerks everywhere but to characterise an entire pilot group is uncalled for. The offenders will be dealt with in due time. In the meantime, we need to look after each other instead of blaming the workers for the failings of whatever leadership group who screwed up the company.

 

[SWAdude]

As a furloughed UAL guy, does that include me? Gee, I hope not. During the short time I worked there, I commuted too. I was only denied the jumpseat twice, surprisingly both times on SWA. On one occassion, the gate agent was VERY apologetic, and said the Captain was an absolute jerk. UAL has a few of those too.
I'm sorry to see a few UAL Capts doing this. Yes, "captains authority" is important, but it shouldn't give you a license to steal. I'd sure like to see ALPA spank these guys for hosing the rest of our pilot brethren over.
Overall, though, there are a lot of UAL pilots that will go out of their way to help out a jumpseater.

What were the reasons given to you for not being allowed to jumpseat?

 

[Huggyu2]

In the case of the "jerk", I met him at the gate as he was walking down, and let him know I'd be requesting a jump. He was curt and sort of looked me over like I was some pest. I waited 45 minutes to walk down and show him my ID's, and at that point he declined to give me the jumpseat or a reason. It was only a short flight from SAT to Love Field. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think that it was a full flight. Anyways, I could tell the gate agents really didn't like this Captain, and they stated this was pretty much par for the course with him.
The 2d time, I was in ABQ. Again, I've sort of forgotten the details, but I recall that there was an FAA guy in the 1st jumpseat. I'm guessing he was acting in some official capacity. The jet had two jumpseats. When the Capt cleared me to take a seat in the cabin, I told him there weren't any and the 2d jumpseat was the last seat on board. At that point, he said that wouldn't work, but that there was another plane in about an hour, so I shouldn't have a problem getting out of ABQ. If he was getting a line check or whatever, I certainly don't fault him for denying me the seat. He's got to look out for his and SWA's best interest, and if that means denying me the seat, then so be it. And I was able to get out of ABQ on the next flight about 2 hours later. No big deal.

 

[SWAdude]

In the case of the "jerk", I met him at the gate as he was walking down, and let him know I'd be requesting a jump. He was curt and sort of looked me over like I was some pest. I waited 45 minutes to walk down and show him my ID's, and at that point he declined to give me the jumpseat or a reason. It was only a short flight from SAT to Love Field. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think that it was a full flight. Anyways, I could tell the gate agents really didn't like this Captain, and they stated this was pretty much par for the course with him.
The 2d time, I was in ABQ. Again, I've sort of forgotten the details, but I recall that there was an FAA guy in the 1st jumpseat. I'm guessing he was acting in some official capacity. The jet had two jumpseats. When the Capt cleared me to take a seat in the cabin, I told him there weren't any and the 2d jumpseat was the last seat on board. At that point, he said that wouldn't work, but that there was another plane in about an hour, so I shouldn't have a problem getting out of ABQ. If he was getting a line check or whatever, I certainly don't fault him for denying me the seat. He's got to look out for his and SWA's best interest, and if that means denying me the seat, then so be it. And I was able to get out of ABQ on the next flight about 2 hours later. No big deal.

This sounds like a long time ago. When did this happen?

Some of our planes (a few) only have one jumpseat. Did you absolutely see that that particular jet had the full two jumpseats. The bench is there but not the padding or seat belts.

When the FAA is on the jumpseat it is always in an official capacity.

 

[-9Capt]

And you are right Le Pilote, it should not be a political thing by some jackass who is sitting in the left seat.

Snake,
Last week you sent me a Private Message telling me (among other things) that you do not allow AirTran jumpseaters on your airplane. Go ahead and deny it so can post it here for everyone to see.

Not that there was any question, but now I have proof... you're a two faced piece of sh!t.

 

[Andy]

This sounds like a long time ago. When did this happen?

Some of our planes (a few) only have one jumpseat. Did you absolutely see that that particular jet had the full two jumpseats. The bench is there but not the padding or seat belts.

When the FAA is on the jumpseat it is always in an official capacity.

Whenever I jumpseated on SWA, everyone was great. As with any company, there are a few jerks out there.

The only time that I was denied a jumpseat was on a United flight. Funny thing is, I was a United employee when I was denied the jumpseat.
The details of why he denied it are as follows: post-911; I lost my medical and did not have a replacement in my possession; I had all other documentation, including a company ID; aircraft was full and I would have had to ride up front. I'll cut the captain some slack on that one.
I think that just about every UAL pilot will acknowledge that we've got our share of jerks. I've flown with a couple of them. But for the most part, there were a lot of good dudes; especially the ex-Eastern and Pan Am pilots.

 

[Huggyu2]

Took place in 2001. For those that pm'd me, I'm not worked up by it. I didn't even mention it to the jumpseat coordinator at UAL. I just mentioned it on this forum to show that even a great pilot force like SWA can occassionally say 'no' to a jumpseater.

 

[rptrain]

Now let's waste a moment here discussing IAir (my apologies to all for allowing this young man to suck me into thread drift). You say that UAL would have reduced ACA's flying. You're full of bull$hit. The ONLY way that would have happened is if ACA failed to meet minimum performance ... UAL got smart and added minimum performance criteria to revised contracts. Now which UAL express carriers have lost any flying since their contracts have been renegotiated? That's right, none.
You can point to AWAC, but there is MUCH more below the surface going on there. AWAC will NOT see a flying cut from UAL express. But it sure is funny how many people see AWAC's U investment as being independent of UAL, when it is UAL pulling some strings to keep U going. I'm pretty sure that I know why they are keeping U alive, but will not post that information here.

Care to explain why the creditors committee would move to prevent AWAC from propping up U with a cash infusion? Apparently they don't think it's a good move for some reason. These uppity regional airlines sure don't know their place in the world.

 

[Andy]

Care to explain why the creditors committee would move to prevent AWAC from propping up U with a cash infusion? Apparently they don't think it's a good move for some reason. These uppity regional airlines sure don't know their place in the world.

The unsecured creditors want that $90 mil back in United's coffers so that they can lay claim to it when UAL emerges from BK. And let's make sure that we're clear on this ... it was UAL's creditors, not UAL's management that filed suit. The unsecured creditors definitely threw a monkey wrench into the plans.

If you're trying to use this as an excuse to justify ACA's stupid decision to become Independence Air, you'll have to keep digging. Not one UAL express carrier has lost any flying; they've even continued to be profitable. Meanwhile, Independence Air's auditors required them to put a going concern statement into the latest 10K.